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Topics of the day:

  1. Those last 2 minutes TV commentary
  2. Fergie in Hall of Fame
  3. United Quotes after Barca and Manchester celebrations
  4. Teamtalk news (Bosnich/Fergie/England/Keane)
  5. LIST: A Day in the Life - a life in a day - postscript
  6. Change email address
  7. LIST: Did the Scousers have it easy? (2)
  8. A Day in the Life - a life in a day - postscript
  9. Mini-rant
 10. Gracious Germans
 11. Questions (3)
 12. Euro vs S.America (2)
 13. Ole! Part 1
 14. F**king hell I'm back!
 15. Ole Part 1
 16. Hitzfield vs Fergie
 17. .....the end of an epic adventure!! LONG
 18. SU membership
 19. Ole! Part 2
 20. <No subject given>
 21. Thoughts for next season

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 07:56:11 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: Those last 2 minutes TV commentary

(Independent)
Chris Maume - Tyldesley's silence proves he can live with the best

SPORT ON TV
Talk about trebles. It's three minutes and 33 seconds from when the fourth
official holds up the placard with that blessed and unexpected "3", to
when Baldy blows his whistle and Clive Tyldesley declares: "History is
made. Manchester United are European champions again - and nobody will
ever win a European Cup final more dramatically than this." That's all the
video of Wednesday night's proceedings need consist of really, though you
could throw in the 12 minutes of celebration to flesh it out? As well as
including more than the paltry nine seconds ITV lavished on them lifting
the trophy before breaking to the ads.
Yesterday morning I played the short version for a football-phobic friend
who thought he was probably watching Red Dwarf as it was all happening,
just so he could tell his proverbial grandchildren he'd seen it. It was
about the 1,500th time I'd played it, I told him. "Football porn," he
muttered.
There were some misgivings beforehand at the fact that Tyldesley was in
the chair. Brian Moore may have been flawed, but he had the requisite
sense of drama. He was very funny commentating in the wonderfully observed
comedy Bostock's Cup (ITV, Tuesday) - about which I would write much more,
all of it good, in any other week.
Tyldesley, though, gave a performance to match United's. After a decidedly
shaky start, getting his Germans-on-holiday jokes in early, he dug in, got
through, then rose to the occasion when the unbelievable exploded in his
face.
There has been half a minute of injury-time. "Can United score? They
always score," Tyldesley says with admirable, if reckless, confidence as
Beckham shapes up to take the corner and the camera homes in on Teddy
Sheringham. "It's come to Dwight Yorke - cleared - Giggs with a shot -
SHERINGHAM!" - the last word a throaty roar, his voice a wave breaking on
the rocks.
And then - a marvellous touch that others might do well to steal - 10
seconds of silence while the depictions of ecstasy and shock speak for
themselves. His first phrase back in has an edge of even greater
certainty: "Name - on - the - trophy." You can't argue with a confident
man.
Certain images stand out in hard-edged relief - the haunted face of Lothar
Matthaus. Peter Schmeichel deadly serious as he walks back to his own
goal. The flares high up in the United end. "As things stand we will go
into extra time with a golden goal hanging like a massive shadow over this
final," says Tyldesley, as Denis Irwin lofts the ball upfield.
"Unless" - a pause as he contemplates the astonishing possibility - "Ole
Solskjaer can conjure up another." A young face-painted fan clutching a
furled flag which shakes with his tension is breathless with anxiety. He
is panting, desperate and pleading as he watches Beckham run over to the
corner flag. Never has he lived life so intensely, you guess.
Then Tyldesley: "Is this the moment? Beckham - into Sheringham - AND
SOLSKJAER HAS DONE IT!" Even writing it makes my spine tingle.
Another 10 seconds of silence - Schmeichel's extravagant flip; a close-up
of a Bayern defender, hands on knees - the pain, the pain.
"Manchester United have reached the promised land," says Tyldesley.
Another close-up of the defeated German warhorse: "And what must Matthaus
be thinking? With the greatest of respect, who cares?"
Later, as he goes up to get his loser's medal, which he keeps on for
precisely three seconds, he looks like Charlton Heston. He's a Roman
general about to fall on his sword. There's a fantastically expressive
shot from behind as he walks away, looking up into the crowd towards the
Bayern fans, their eyes either filled with bitter tears or blank with
post-traumatic stress.
As Schmeichel and his team prepare to mount the piece of cast-off Blake's
Seven scenery Uefa use for presentations, Tyldesley intones the names of
previous British captains who have lifted the European Cup: "Billy
McNeill... Bobby Charlton... Emlyn Hughes... John McGovern... Phil
Thompson... Dennis Mortimer... Graeme Souness."
Kenneth Wolstenholme, John Motson, Lord Barry Davies, Brian Moore. Clive
Tyldesley may not be an institution just yet, but he has proved he can
live with the best. Which is fortunate, because his words will remain
intertwined with the memory of the most intense three minutes and 33
seconds most armchair football fans will ever know.

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 07:57:49 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: Fergie in Hall of Fame

(Mirror)
FOOTBALL: FERGIE'S FIRST ON FAME LIST

ALEX FERGUSON will become the first manager inducted into English
fooball's Hall of Fame.
Sir Geoff Hurst last night announced that the Treble-winning boss will be
inducted into the Premiership's Hall of Fame, which will open at County
Hall on June 12.
The half-dozen players already nominated include Les Ferdinand, Peter
Schmeichel, Eric Cantona, Alan Shearer, Gianfranco Zola and Dennis
Bergkamp.
Tony Adams, Ian Wright, David Seaman, Mark Hughes, Ian Rush and Ruud
Gullit will join their ranks on July 30.
Less pleasing news reached Ferguson's ears yesterday with the shock claim
that Champions League final hero Ole Gunnar Solskjaer may quit Old
Trafford.
The Norwegian super sub clinched the historic treble with the injury-time
goal that beat Bayern Munich in Barcelona.
But last night his agent Rune Hauge revealed that, unless he gets a
starting berth in the United side, he could soon be off.
Hauge - the disgraced agent who was banned in the George Graham bungs
affair - stoked up trouble by claiming that Solskjaer will not settle for
a place on the bench.
Hauge said: "Ole Gunnar enjoys his life at United but he is an ambitious
player and wants to be in the starting line up.
"This season that has not been the case too often, apart from the FA Cup
Final
"I think Alex Ferguson will give him a fair chance next season and Ole
believes that.
"But he will have to look at the rest of his career.
"There have been a lot of enquiries for him.
"If he wanted to leave United there would be many more - from England and
the continent."

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 07:59:54 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: United Quotes after Barca and Manchester celebrations

(365)
OLE GUNNAR SOLKSJAER
"We didn't leave the ground until nearly 1.30 am. By the time we got to
the hotel in the centre of Barcelona it must have been about 2.15 am. En
route we were greeted at every corner, down every street. It was one big
street party all the way to the place. But the fans had a right, they had
as much right as us to enjoy the moment. Of course we had a few drinks, we
let our hair down a little. Our partners were already at the hotel and
they shared the excitement of the fans."

DAVID BECKHAM
"It was a great party, plenty of food, plenty of entertainment and lots of
soft drinks. But even then it hadn't quite sunk in that we had won the
European Cup. Everybody was on a high, but under the circumstances,
looking back, it's difficult to describe what happened to us out on the
pitch."

RYAN GIGGS
"I've never seen anything like it in my life. It must have taken nearly
two hours to do six miles and I enjoyed every minute of it. Sometimes you
can get too wrapped up in your own success, but our success belonged to
everyone, particularly to the fans, and that was never going to happen to
us. Somebody told us there were a million people on the route, but it
seemed like there were loads more. When we reached the indoor arena the
place just exploded, the noise was incredible. I've been inside Old
Trafford week in, week out, and 55,000 fans couldn't have made more of a
noise."

DWIGHT YORKE
"Everything has taken so long to sink in, it's been quite incredible. When
we landed at Manchester airport on Thursday night you would have thought
we were royalty. You just can't comprehend what we've achieved and what it
means to so many people. I've hurt my mouth from smiling, but I feel so
great inside, so proud, that I don't care. Aside from the personal
ambitions, I've been part of something that has made a difference to so
many other people's lives. The reception, the tour round Manchester. As
far as I'm concerned it could have gone on all week."

PETER SCHMEICHEL
"Everything seemed perfect. I wanted to go out on this incredible high and
aside from the match, it was just nice to be able to let ourselves go
after a very hard, demanding and successful season. Of course we enjoyed
ourselves. After the game everything was one big party. But we're all
kids, we're like the fans. We sang terrace songs, we laughed at one
another and of course, we were pretty tired by the time we got on the
plane to leave for home. Thursday sort of lingered. The party just didn't
stop and it wasn't going to stop. But these things don't happen that
often, it was a once in a lifetime achievement. I don't think anyone would
begrudge us enjoying ourselves but we were certainly running on reserve.
I'm just pleased for the fans and everybody at Manchester United. We have
proved and proved beyond any doubt that we deserve all the success we have
got. We earned it and we have a right to feel proud for ourselves and
everyone else."

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 08:08:11 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: Teamtalk news (Bosnich/Fergie/England/Keane)

Football - Bosnich set for United return

Mark Bosnich, the Aston Villa goalkeeper, may be on the verge of rejoining
Manchester United, the club where he started his career in English
football. The 27-year-old is expected to join the new European champions
on a free transfer under the Bosman Ruling to replace Peter Schmeichel,
who played his last game for the club in the European Cup final on
Wednesday.
Bosnich played three games for United between 1989 and 1991 before
returning to Australia to renew his work permit. He returned in 1992 to
sign a two-year contract with Villa, even though United thought they had
an agreement with him to return to Old Trafford.
Martin Edwards, the Manchester United chief executive, has implied that a
deal for Bosnich is imminent after repeated speculation throughout the
season. "I think things will evolve fairly quickly," Edwards said. "It
could happen in the next few days."
The Dutch international goalkeeper Edwin Van der Saar, another rumoured
United target, recently decided to join Juventus, leaving Bosnich
well-placed to land the position.
The return of Bosnich to Old Trafford would surprise many after the United
manager Alex Ferguson's public disappointment over his decision to join
Villa seven years ago.
"I'm very disappointed after all we did for him," Ferguson said at the
time. "We had an understanding that if he came back to England it would be
to join us."
However, Ferguson clearly feels that United need a keeper more experienced
than their current reserve goalkeeper, Raimond van der Gouw, to help
maintain their impetus after this season's successes.

Fergie handed 20m kitty
United's Board are set to sanction extra spending on the back on
Wednesday's success in the Champions League Final.
The added revenue earned by being the top club in Europe will boost
Fergie's buying power, and the boss is already drawing up a shortlist of
men he believes will make United better next season.
This figure was about to be restricted because the club was investing 40m
on ground improvements and the club's new training complex this year, and
it was felt 10m would be the limit.
Now the club is ready to more than double that.
With United becoming European Champions, they also feel they will be able
to attract the type of players who have so far eluded English football.
The majority of Italian and South American players to come into our game
have done so towards the end of their careers, or after failing to stay at
the top in their own countries.
Ferguson feels now English football has proved it is the best in Europe,
there is no reason why it should not attract the World stars who have
tended to go to Italy, Spain and Germany in the past.
Also by becoming the first manager in British football to win the treble
as well as guiding United to a record three doubles, Fergie looks set to
be rewarded for his achievements in the Queen's Birthday Honours, and few
who would dispute the claims.
Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is a close friend of Labour supporter
Fergie, is thought to be ready to recommend that the man who was awarded
the CBE in 1995 after guiding United to the first of their three doubles,
should be invited to the palace once again.

Keane talks due
United skipper Roy Keane will sit down and discuss his future with the
club within the next couple of weeks.
Keane's deal at Old Trafford runs out at the end of next season, and he is
hoping to double his salary from 23,000 a week to around 40,000.
Keane, 27, said: "I'm due to have talks in the next week or two. Hopefully
I'll get a good deal. I've got a good solicitor and that's his job. My job
is to do the business on the pitch which I think I've done."
The Republic of Ireland international was of course suspended for the
European Cup final victory over Bayern Munich, and joked:
"It's a good job we're not meeting tonight, as the team have shown they
can win without me!"

Five in England squad
Teddy Sheringham has won a deserved recall to the England squad for their
forthcoming Euro 2000 qualifiers against Sweden and Poland.
Joining Sheringham in the squad are club mates Paul Scholes, David
Beckham, Andy Cole and Phil Neville - although Phil's brother Gary has
been forced to withdraw due to injury.
Somehow Nicky Butt has been overlooked, but at least it gives him the
chance to put his feet up early after a rigorous season.

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 07:58:40 +0000
From:    "<Paul Windridge>" <paul@RARECOMPANY.CO.UK>
Subject: LIST: A Day in the Life - a life in a day - postscript

Postscript to A Day in the Life - a life in a day:

On Thursday morning I finally got home at around 10.00am, the M6 was one
long traffic jam and the journey took an hour longer than expected, but
then why should we expect anything from the M6?

Nigel and I had stopped off at a service station for some coffee and people
stared at us as we walked in. Whether it was because we wore United colours
or just that we looked completely knackered I don't know, but they all
stared at us. Maybe they knew we'd been there and done it. Maybe it was
that obvious - written all over our faces.

I dropped Nigel off at his place and drove the short distance to
Leamington. I walked into the house on what was supposed to be a normal
working day, but of course it was nothing of the sort. Manchester United
were European Champions and the news was all over the papers, on every
radio broadcast and TV.

I couldn't focus on work, I just wanted to watch the game over and over
again. I had said to Eliza as we were walking away from the Nou Camp,
"savour every single second it will never ever be like this again." I
wanted to relive the experience and so it seemed did many others.

Every now and then the phone would ring, but all the person at the other
end wanted to talk about was the match, work didn't come into it. I went
down to the local corner shop where they were still talking about the game,
I told them I'd just come back and that was it - the shop stopped still and
everyone who was  there wanted to hear stories about what it was like.

The papers were full of stories like the man who drove into the Blackwall
tunnel on 90 minutes with the score 1-0 and lost his radio signal. When he
re-emerged a couple of minutes later United were European Champions!

At 3.15 I wandered down to the school to pick up my daughter and everyone
was talking about the game. A few of them knew I'd gone and came over to me
- I had to escape for fear of attracting a crowd. How far fetched does this
seem? I can assure you it's the truth - everyone wanted to know, it stops
people in their tracks when they find out you were there and complete
strangers come over to you and want to talk about it.

I remember it was similar in 1968, but with the extra media coverage, even
though it was the extremely disappointing ITV coverage, the focus on
football is far greater.

By the time I climbed into my bed on Thursday night I had been awake for 65
hours continuous, I had blisters on my feet after walking over 20 miles and
I was just a little tired!

=46or the past two days I and the others had survived on pure adrenaline and
life will never be the same again. I wonder how the man we kept
encountering outside the stadium got on. We finally left him sitting on the
pavement still ticketless. He had been separated from the people he'd come
with and had money but nothing else apart from what he stood up in and that
was very little - a pair of shorts. He had one leg in plaster and had even
lost one of his crutches and to top the lot he didn't even have his
Passport anymore. But he was still desperate for a ticket.

At times like that you have to look after yourselves, it was a bit like a
war zone outside that stadium, but the camaraderie is there. Thousands are
in the same boat as you, all searching for tickets - you just need that bit
of luck and we found ours with the Austrian. But you have to be there, it's
compulsory - you have to give yourself that chance.

On Monday night I'm going back with Karen and the kids for a week's
relaxation and sunshine. It's the kids' half term and I got a cheap deal at
the last minute.

This year we're off to sunny Spain - twice!!

Copyright Paul Windridge 1999

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 15:39:31 +0800
From:    "(Mabel Ho)" <mabelho@NETVIGATOR.COM>
Subject: Change email address

HI, I have subscribed to the list for a year.
However, I have to change my email address.
Can anyone tell me what to do to change my email address.

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:28:27 +0000
From:    "David Marshall, Brisbane, Australia" <dmarsha@TPGI.COM.AU>
Subject: LIST: Did the Scousers have it easy?

Hi All,
I still keep spontaneously bursting out with "Who put the ball...."
I have received a bit of slagging from firstly some Scousers who keep
on about "Win 2 more, then you'll be as good as us" and from poor sad
Oz Bayern fan who has resorted to quoting Bayern chants (in German)
to do with ice on the runway - what a total tosser and I wouldn't be
bothered to indulge him with a response.
However, vis a vis the Scousers. Anyone got access to the results of
the matches they played when they won the EC (all those years
ago :-)   )? I have this feeling they may have coasted past a few
minnows en route, unlike the fearful trek those lovely lads
negotiated to make it this year. If you know, please post as I will
have much pleasure in pointing out the virtue of quality versus
quantity.

Cheers,
David Marshall
Brisbane, Australia.

Red 'til I'm dead - treble achieved, I'm ready to go!

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 12:26:00 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: Re: A Day in the Life - a life in a day - postscript

Thanks for all your great reports this season, Paul. They've been the
highlight of every week's mail and I'm sure the rest of this list joins me
in sending their thanks as well. Most of us on this list are thousands of
miles away from the real action but you've brought us the taste and feel
of being there. We really appreciate all your time and effort and, not
the least, your generosity in sharing your talent with us.
_________
Terry
Saudi

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 19:17:31 +0800
From:    Michelle Lim <mlhxian@PACIFIC.NET.SG>
Subject: Mini-rant

You'd think that after scoring the injury-time winner in the last European
Cup final of this millennium (let's not be pedantic about 2000/2001 ok?)
which wins Manchester United only its second ever European Cup and the
first for 31 years, the papers would at least be able to spell Ole Gunnar
Solskjaer's name right. 3 whole spreads of Straits Times coverage, and they
get it right ONCE (in all the home-written unsyndicated articles).

In all fairness, "Solksjaer" is not the only one whose name is spelt wrong.
Mario Bassler (twice!) and "Otmar" Hitzfeld are cases in point. And has
anyone ever heard of Bayern's Pakistani goalkeeper? No? Well, his name's
Oliver Khan.

Not to mention the trans-national racial background of French-Italian
referee "Pierre Collina". Guess Super Mario decided to dispense with his
Luigi.

Besides that, they have the NERVE to go on and say how "luck -- a season
full of it --... is the reason for United's treble, more than the buoyant
skills of its... players".

And dear me, good old Jeffery Low. "(The Germans will have to remember) how
Ryan Giggs danced in Turin."
Jeff? Repeat after me, now:
Ryan Giggs did not dance in Turin. Ryan Giggs did not even PLAY in Turin.
He was injured. He "danced" -- if you *must* put it that way -- when did he
turn into a latter-day Nobby Stiles? -- in Birmingham, in a place called
Villa Park, in an entirely different domestic competition known as the FA
Cup. Ring a bell?

And on top of all this, the INCESSANT insistence on referring to the team
as "Man U". Peter, share my wrath.


I'm sorry for clogging up the list with pedantry at a joyous time like
this, but it's just SO irritating to have one of the greatest occasions of
your (short) life thus far partially ruined by some absolutely abysmal
local newspaper coverage. These tedious old fools.

Michelle -- wondering how she can possibly offer her services as a
proofreader. God knows, they sure need *someone* to do the job.

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 12:13:10 +0100
From:    Geoff Carew <gcarew@IOL.IE>
Subject: Gracious Germans

from Reuters -- Gracious Germans!


BONN, May 28  - Bayern Munich defender Thomas
Helmer and midfielder Mehmet Scholl have each been fined 10,000
German marks ($5,300) for expressing criticism over their side's
European Cup final defeat.

"Both players had criticised team mates or the coach," Bayern said in
a statement on Friday.

Helmer showed two middle fingers in a gesture to coach Ottmar
Hitzfeld as it became obvious he would not be sent on.

Scholl, who did come on in the 71st minute, criticised Lothar
Matthaeus after the veteran libero, who was substituted in the 80th
minute, said he could have played the whole match. "Lothar knew that
he would be substituted towards the end," said Scholl.

Bayern were leading Manchester United 1-0 in Wednesday's match in
Barcelona when Matthaeus left the pitch. United then scored two goals
in injury time to win 2-1.

"I have spoken with the team and the two players," Hitzfeld said. "I
have made it clear once again that everybody in our club must work
together for the success of FC Bayern. Anybody who breaks that rule
must bear the consequences."

Helmer, who is set to leave at the end of the season and is expected to
move to Nuremberg, will be left out of the squad for the remaining
matches of the season, the statement said.

The 34-year-old former international and Bayern captain has often
been sidelined this season.

Bayern have been nicknamed FC Hollywood after squabbling and
scandals persistently marred previous years, although the atmosphere
has been remarkably quiet this season.


http://www.webu.nu/manu - Free ManU Software

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 16:04:47 +0200
From:    Helgi Adalsteinsson <helgi@BUSINESS.AUC.DK>
Subject: Questions

Hi Reds

I just came home last night from Barcelona and I'm not going to try to
describe my three days trip.  It was simply as good as it gets. =20

My ticket for Nou Camp was bought in Germany and I was sitting amongst the
German fans.  I'm telling you that those poor bastards simply cried in the
end and I was thinking about feeling sorry for them but then I deciede not
to :-)

I have two questions:

1) I'm missing one line in the Jaap Stam song I heard on La Rambla in
Barce.  I'm missing te third line.  The others are:

line-1   Jaap Stam is a big Dutchman
line-2   Get pass him if you f%&/ing can
line-3   ?
line-4   Jip jip, Jap Stam.

I'm sure some fo you Reds can help me and tell me how the third line is.

2) Do you know how the ball posession between man Utd and Bayern was in the
whole game?  Today I'm going to watch the game again on my VCR because I
didn't see the big screen at Nou Camp, believe or not mates.

With greetings from Iceman who just loves to see the Germans cry ;-)

=A9 Helgi Adalsteinsson
  helgi@business.auc.dk
  http://www.business.auc.dk/~helgi

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 21:54:50 +0800
From:    Cherith Lai <a042700@MAILSERV.CUHK.EDU.HK>
Subject: Euro vs S.America

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 17:41:57 +0200
From:    andersson <aod@ALGONET.SE>
Subject: Re: Questions

>1) I'm missing one line in the Jaap Stam song I heard on La Rambla in
>Barce.  I'm missing te third line.  The others are:

Its something like:
               Jip Jaap Stam is a big Dutchman
               Get past him if you f**king can
               Try a little trick & he'll hit you with a brick
               Jip Jaap, Jaap Stam

>2) Do you know how the ball posession between man Utd and Bayern was in the
>whole game?  Today I'm going to watch the game again on my VCR because I
>didn't see the big screen at Nou Camp, believe or not mates.

It was mufc 58-42 fc bayern at some point, don't know about the whole game
though.


cheers

Patrik - [aod@algonet.se]

"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
 and with strange aeons even death may die."

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 17:10:02 +0100
From:    Mark Southee <marks@BREATHEMAIL.NET>
Subject: Ole! Part 1

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Our party for Barca comprised of Duncan, myself – it seems we are stuck with
the ‘joined at the hip’ moniker, but at the moment I (sorry, we) don’t
really care! Joining us were 3 friends of mine – Jim, Wendy and Donna who
were all ticketless, hotel less and couldn’t care less, they just had to be
there.

We were travelling from Luton on Monday evening, and to avoid any Turin type
cock-ups, left plenty of travelling time, which was just as well as we drove
in a storm that would have had Noah nervously hunting for the Black and
Decker!

With no further problems we reached Nice at 11:30pm and picked up our battle
bus to take us on to Spain. Apart from Donna’s inability to locate the
bucket with the toll money we had an easy drive through the night, and were
parked up on La Rambla at 7:30am. This was the only time we were to see the
place empty.

Our first priority was to find a hotel for the waifs and strays, so we found
the tourist info place at the top of La Rambla and got them in a hotel not
too far away.  With them taking the bus round to their hotel, Dunc and I
went off to find the IMUSA Hilton. We located it with it’s stunning views of
the St Joseph market and building site with the associated noises and smells
that fully justified the £10 a night we were being charged. Having cleared
the shower room of some wildlife, it wasn’t too bad, and having showered and
grabbed a bit of kip we greeted the rest of the inmates as they arrived.

The rest of the day was spent soaking up the atmosphere that was already
building up and trying to suss out the spare ticket situation for the rest.
We got talking to someone that evening and with prices not dropping below
£200 and with a mass of forgeries flying around the others were not too
optimistic. Dunc, Mick Meade and myself decide to finish the evening off
with a visit to the Michael Collins bar where we bump into Nick Clay. We
make back to our beds at about 3:00 am.

On match day we decide to stay at the hostel and ease our way into things
gently. I think the nerves were already starting to kick in, as well as
having to contend with the vicious head cold, which despite copious amounts
of black medicine consumed before and after Wembley, I’d failed to shift.

A phone call to Mr Leeming confirmed that everyone was gathering at the Hard
Rock. So we made our way up there, with Dunc joining the cue to get in,
whilst I did a raid on McDonalds for some Big Macs which had to be smuggled
in to the Hard Rock under my jacket!

We see Barry, and Bill and I go and say hello to Richard and Hazel, my
banner carrying friends from the San Siro. Linda and the Son and heir then
appear, followed by a bloke carrying a huge bag plus rucksack, who turns out
to be Mr Hennesey. Soon Jim, Wendy and Donna (aka the other 3) appear and a
great afternoon is spent talking about all our Red experiences. I also kept
looking at the scene in the square which was now a mass of people all making
a great deal of noise.

All too soon it is time to get closer to the ground. We take Sean back to
our place so he can dump his bags for the evening. The other 3 decide to try
and find some friends in the Robin Hood. We head for a heaving Metro station
and make for Kitty O’Sheas near the ground, alas we get there to find none
of our crew left, so we have a quick pint and a Jamesons (the largest single
I’ve ever  seen!) and then up to the ground. We say our goodbyes to Sean and
try and make our way past all the checks.

Having to show my ticket so many times before I’d got near the ground made
me very nervous (as if I needed any more tension!). I could just see someone
making a grab for it, so I held on tight and hid my hand up the sleeve of my
jacket. As we got close to the final entrance, we see this Spanish copper on
a horse completely lose it, charging around, swinging his batten around like
he was trying to swat flies. With so many kids about it was amazing we saw
no one seriously hurt. It takes ages to get into the ground, and you can
imagine my horror to find that the Germans have scored already! We say a
quick hello to Pat Jennings and Sid who are sat near us and try to take in
the atmosphere.

We also seem to have been planted in the middle of some people who didn’t
seem to care less that we were one-nil down in a European Cup final! All my
life I’ve dreamed of cheering on the Shirts in such a game, yet I see one
guy a few rows down reading his hotel guide halfway through the first half!
An honourable exception goes to the guy I’m stood next to, and the few of us
who really cared tried to drum up some support. This extended to me singing
‘Stand Up’ when “Sit Down” came on at half time.

In the second half it is clear to me that although we have more than our
fare share of possession, Bayern are coping easily.  When they hit the
woodwork for the second time, my new found friend says to me “If we win this
I’m going to shag those goal posts”. I laugh, but I doubted whether the
honour of the posts was going to be compromised, as I couldn’t see us
scoring.

We had, I’d convinced myself, used up all the lady luck at our disposal this
season, and I was just preparing for the inevitable when that “we shall not
be moved”  attitude of the Delle Alpi, Villa Park, and the Scousers cup game
showed up once again. If Teddy’s equaliser sent us mad with delight, Ole’s
goal seemed to stun me into shock for about 30 seconds, then cue
pandemonium. I didn’t see the final whistle go as everyone is hugging,
kissing and crying. Just incredible!

To be continued

Mark Southee

Home mail: marks@breathemail.net
Work mail: Mark_Southee@martindawes.com

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 12:42:35 -0400
From:    Sean Hennessey <suggs@TIAC.NET>
Subject: F**king hell I'm back!

Hi all!

CONGRADULATIONS ON A BRILLIANT BRILLIANT TREBLE!

We bloody well did it and I'm still singing!  I'll have my Tour Diary out
later (I'm still too bloody drink and travel hungover to start just now,
not to mention have to meet up a lad to sell my bass for dosh to survive
out the week!) but I want to say a big CHEERS to all of you who I met up
with, sang with, and put me up on my travels.  I'd never have survived
without you lot particularly Dunc, the Marks, Peter and PJ who let me
leave my bags and kip in their rooms in Barca.  Cheers to to our Barry for
sorting out the Boston Reds as well!

I'll leave you all now and go back to my sore throat still singing.  Trip
Diary to come shortly...

tara - Sean

'A system which pushes administrators to the forefront rather than players
is in danger' - Eric Cantona
*******************************************************************************
Sean Hennessey, member: Boston Reds, http://members.tripod.com/~boston_reds/
Member and co-admin of the Red Devils list:  RedDevils@onelist.com
e-mail: suggs@tiac.net or giggs@tiac.net ICQ: 9288628

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 19:28:42 +0300
From:    Terry Dale <dale@KFUPM.EDU.SA>
Subject: Ole Part 1

Mark Southee wrote:
> When they hit the woodwork for the second time, my new found
> friend says to me If we win this Im going to shag those goal posts.

I can't wait for the end of this particular story. Is he still plucking
out the splinters?

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Date:    Sun, 30 May 1999 01:02:45 +0800
From:    Edwin Lee <edwinlee@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Subject: Hitzfield vs Fergie

Hitzfield made public his formation, line-up and tactics a good 48 hours
before the match. In particular, he mentioned clamping down on Beckham and
Giggs. Does anyone think that this worried Fergie, and led him to move
Beckham to the centre and Giggs to the right? I think that was a brilliant
trick by Hitzfield...as our wingers (Giggs on the right and Blomqvist on
the left) were rather ineffective. Even Beckham was relatively quiet
compared to his usual contributions from the right. I can't believe it.
That's chess bloddy hell.

Please comment. Thanks.


Edwin Lee
edwinlee@singnet.com.sg

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:16:35 +0100
From:    Ben Murney <ben.murney@PIPEMEDIA.CO.UK>
Subject: .....the end of an epic adventure!! LONG

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    It all started on as u know the sunday my dad (red diablo) and i =
heades to manchester to watch the final clash of the season at OT, and =
now it has ended in an historic unbelievable "supernatural" way.
when i last left off our tale we were on our way to Wembley, the warm up =
match as far as alot of us were concerned (even though the FA CUP is =
still a major prize). My dad and i had pretty good seats in wembley but =
they were in the sit down and shut up section which pissed me off cause =
it was my first trip tp the ol ash tray :) however it was a magnaficant =
day and we did the business!
    Now for the fun part of the trip. We arrived in Plymouth the sunday =
evening and were scheduled to depart on the monday morning. this is =
where things started to go wrong on this trip , but thank god its also =
where the bad things ended. You see what the travel companies had failed =
to tell most people who booked the trip was that they were not letting =
any UNTED supporters on the ferry! We were all had to hide our shirts, =
flags, scarfs etc etc and we were all grilled with questions bout where =
we were going!! My dad commented that the jewish probably had and easier =
time getting out of germany in WW2.
Well in the end we made it but unfortunatly approx. 150 other united =
fans did not, bout 50% of those there. We are trying to make this public =
and we know of 4 welsh lads who are taking Brittany ferries to court =
over this. if aany of u on the list know of this event or were part of =
it speak up cause we are going to try and get compensation for the act =
of discrimination!
    Anyways on with the story. After the ferry eventually got under way =
we had a good sign song in the bar that night signing "if you lied to =
brittany ferries clap your hands" etc etc ill skip through the trip down =
to Sitges and just tell you bout our night there.We got there in late =
afternoon and found a hotel, funnily enough the same one the welsh lads =
who got turned away form the ferry were staying at, and decided to stay =
in town that night. To say we took over downtown Sitges would be an =
understatment. We had bout 750 to 1000 i think in the streets signing =
away all night long!! the cops were very good there and we had no =
troublew at all in fact we mingles with the Bayern fans as they watched =
amazed at us all sigining away. I proceeded to lose my voice that night, =
while my dad managed to get so pissed up that he couldnt even walk back =
to the hotel!!!!!!!
    So Match day rolled around and off we went into Barcalona. We got =
there around noon time and already Le Rambla was swarming with the RED =
ARMY. We proceeded up La Rambla to the Hard Rock Cafe where we met up =
with all the fellow list members who made the trip. It was good to =
finally put some faces with some names :) After a few hours there we =
decided to head back down La Rambla to look for our mates from =
Manchester who were there. This is when we cam upon the statue at the =
bottom of La Rambla which was totally reds!!! Well i was in my element =
and right at home siging away until match time. The boys even managed to =
drap the statue in a jersey and put on a Cantona mask which made =
everyone go wild! Spanish and german alike sat there in bewilderment as =
we sang chorus after chorus of songs for the boys! Again the Police were =
no problem they just let us get on with the fun.
    Time flew by now and before we knew it we were on our way to the Nou =
Camp and off to see the most dramtic peice of football history ever =
known. It took forever to get to the grounds cause we were forced to go =
around in circles by the police barriers. We finally made our way into =
the ground after two check points and a lot of mean looking cops, only =
to discover that programs were not on sale in the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =
So besides my ticket stun i have no momento of the historic day :(
Oh well i left my dad and made my way to my seat in the second tier just =
off to the left of Uniteds goal. My first impression was that i was =
going to b in the sit down quiet section once again cause i was around =
alot of Dutch, Norwegian, and even two Japanese fans, i mean no offence =
by that but in my experiences at OT up in the gods those fans generally =
dont have a clue bout whats going on or any of the words to the songs. =
To my delight there was aslo a large contingent of hard core followers =
aswell and it made it a great section to be in. NO SITING DOWN, NO =
SILENCE (EXCEPT FOR KROT GOAL) AND ABSOLUTE BEDLOM!!!! it was where one =
of the flares was lit off.=20
    By now we all know what happened in the match os i wont bore u more =
with the details except for that for the most part the support was great =
( wish those that stand up during "stand up for the champion" etc would =
stay up!! ), the game was bit crap cause we were only alllowed to play =
aswell as the germans would let us for the most part. BUT THE PARTY MY =
GOD WAS IT GOOD! Everyone was hugging everyone, hardcore and newcomer =
alike, there were tears of joy and complete exctasy. Never again will =
any of us that were there experience anything like it, and even for =
those who werent i imagine it will be the same. The stadium was =
deafining and the players like usual were fantastic with the crowd. The =
way they all sat down to the James's song and the way they got all of us =
to be so quiet that you could have heard a pin drop when they each =
hoisted the trophy brough tears to the eyes of the most hardened of =
fans. My only wish was that that twit on the sound system had got thrown =
out so tht we could have sung uninterupted. I recall some one mentioning =
it after the tottenham match and something bout a petition to get him =
sacked, is that still on??? i was at all three matches and he did it at =
all three i think he needs to be executed :)
    After bout 30 mins of celebrations we left the ground and made our =
way back to La Ramlba where even though we were all done in and had no =
voices left the RED ARMY once again took over. Wether it was leaning on =
lamp posts , sitting down or holding wach other up the party continued! =
Again we went to the Hard rock to get a meal b4 the drive back to the =
ferry and to see if we knew anyone there. Barry was still there and i =
must say that barry u a great guy and thanks for the cd it came in very =
handy on the ferry on the way home. Following the meal we went back down =
to the statue were we where b4 the match and again found it packed. =
After a fifteen minute chorus of the 68 cry " We are the champions , =
champions of Europe" and a heart renching rendtion of "Happy Bithday =
Matt Busby" we very reluctently headed for the ferry.
    The ferry ride homw was amazing,despite none of us having energy of =
voices. In the bar that night we had a congo line and renditions of =
Barcalona, Simply the best, Rocking all over the World , WE ARE THE =
CHAMPIONS ( of course though we all hate it now) and many others, we =
even did the sit down sit down and sat down on the dance floor. And =
finally the magic carpet ride came to and end when we arrived home =
yesterday at 6pm tired, exhausted, hungry, smelly and the among the =
happiest and luckiest people to walk the face of the earth!!!!!!!! It =
will be etched in my memory till the day i die, like many of the old =
school who were at the 68 final i imagine.=20
    TO the greatest team on earth , to the loudest best behaved fans in =
the world and to whoever works the miralces up in the sky, THANKS :)

From the son of the red DIABLO
Ben

P.s SO who's up for going to Brazil to see the boys play??????

siging " dwight york and keano, dwight york and keano, singing doubles =
and trebles, dwight york and keano"=20
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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:40:34 +0100
From:    Mark&Tanya <Mark&Tanya@GRAMPOUND.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Subject: SU membership

There are quite a few names who contribute to various Man Utd lists that
haven't returned their Shareholders United form. Please don't think that
just because you helped you will automatically be a member, because there
are quite a few who were just happy to help see off Murdoch and don't want
any more to do with us.

Keep celebrating,

Tanya


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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:45:57 +0100
From:    Mark Southee <marks@BREATHEMAIL.NET>
Subject: Ole! Part 2

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The celebrations after the game will never be forgotten. I reminded my
friend of his date with the woodwork, but he said it would have to wait
until he got home. So if you see reports of someone getting arrested at
Hough End for performing a “lewd act”, that’ll be him!

After the players had been literally dragged off the pitch we made our merry
way out of the ground. Pat, Sid, Dunc and I grab a beer near their hotel to
relieve the vocal chords. Dunc and I then make our way to the IMUSA party at
another bar, where Champagne (sort of) cost about three quid a go. With
events off the pitch occupying hearts and minds for most of the season it
was a long and emotional celebration. We then made the long walk back to
town in the most amazing fashion, hoisting a huge banner we had above our
heads and marching back to the hostel. It was half the width of the road
wide and god knows how long, but we somehow got it and us back in one piece.

I woke up on Thursday morning to find that everything ached. From my vocal
chords to my feet I was a bit of a mess.  We got to the breakfast bar Andy
had recommended in the market to find that everyone else had been long gone.

We make our way to the other 3’s hotel to find out they had  quite a night
too. By the time they got to the Metro the Spanish had given up trying to
force people to pay and to a chorus of “it’s free on the underground” (to Go
West) they made their way to the ground. They are wandering around
desperately trying to find somewhere with a tele but give up and decide just
to get near the action. They find themselves outside the Bayern end when
they spot a burger bar with a colour tv and cold beers to boot – result!
They attract some others and soon there are 50 Reds around this bar. Jimmy
gets handed a large, top quality  banner with Macclesfield Reds on it and a
huge club crest which they put up. He tries to give it back afterwards but
he is told he can keep it!

Having walked for ages beforehand they weren’t in the mood to walk back, so
Donna spots a big black English reg Merc with only the driver on board so
she knocks on the window and asks for a lift, and gets it! He drops them off
within a mile of their hotel, lucky sods.

We decide to pack the bus up and pay a visit to the Porto Olympico, where we
have the worst paella served by the dimmest waitresses known to man. The
fact they were wearing next to nothing didn’t quite make up for it!  We then
make back to the Nou Camp and pick up programmes and other goodies.

We then start the drive back to Nice. Dunc decides to revive the new song
competition he started on the way back from the Villa Park replay. Jimmy,
who spent some time in the eighties trying seriously to get a band off the
ground joins in and for some reason we settle on Bazza big nose’s Copacobana
as the tune. I am unable to join in due to my vocal chords having packed in
completely, not that I get much sympathy. Amazingly this manages to
entertain us all the way back to Nice.

The plane is full of Reds in a similar state to ourselves, and I even manage
to sleep for the majority of the flight, a rare occurrence for yours truly.
We arrive back at Luton at about 8:30 am and head back up the M1.

If I’ve missed any body out (I’ve just remembered that Mr Dobson and
girlfriend were behind Pat and Sid in the ground – Sorry Sausage man!)
please accept my apologies. With so much to remember from this season of
seasons, I’ll never remember everything!

  Mark

  Mark Southee

Home mail: marks@breathemail.net
Work mail: Mark_Southee@martindawes.com

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 13:07:30 -0500
From:    Paul Rodes <prodes@INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: LIST: Did the Scousers have it easy?

At 06:28 PM 5/29/99 +0000, David Marshall, Brisbane, Australia wrote:


>However, vis a vis the Scousers. Anyone got access to the results of
>the matches they played when they won the EC (all those years
>ago :-)   )? I have this feeling they may have coasted past a few
>minnows en route, unlike the fearful trek those lovely lads
>negotiated to make it this year. If you know, please post as I will
>have much pleasure in pointing out the virtue of quality versus
>quantity.

I copied the info below from anfield.merseyworld.com, which is I have to
admit a fantastically well-organized and maintained web site.  As you can
see by these results, you'll happily be able to remark to your friend with
a patronizing smirk that you understand in those days Zurich, Bruges,
Sophia, and Dinamo Bucharest were actually rather good on their day . . .

Paul
Hoosier Red


1976-7 European Cup
Round 1 1st leg Crusaders (H)           2-0
        2nd leg Crusaders (A)           5-0             [7-0 agg]
Round 2 1st leg Trabzonspor (A)         0-1
        2nd leg Trabzonspor (H)         3-0             [3-1 agg]
Round 3 1st leg St Etienne (A)          0-1
        2nd leg St Etienne (H)          3-1             [3-2 agg]
Semi-   1st leg FC Zurich (A)           3-1
 final  2nd leg FC Zurich (H)           3-0             [6-1 agg]
Final           Borussia M'bach (Rome)  3-1

1977-8 European Cup
Round 2 1st leg Dynamo Dresden (H)      5-1
        2nd leg Dynamo Dresden (A)      1-2             [6-3 agg]
Round 3 1st leg Benfica (A)             2-1
        2nd leg Benfica (H)             4-1             [6-2 agg]
Semi-   1st leg Borussia M'gladbach (A) 1-2
 final  2nd leg Borussia M'gladbach (H) 3-0             [4-2 agg]
Final           FC Bruges (Wembley)     1-0


1980-1 European Cup
Round 1 1st leg Oulu Palloseura (A)     1-1

        2nd leg Oulu Palloseura (H)    10-1             [11-2 agg]
Round 2 1st leg Aberdeen (A)            1-0
        2nd leg Aberdeen (H)            4-0             [5-0 agg]
Round 3 1st leg CSKA Sofia (H)          5-1
        2nd leg CSKA Sofia (A)          1-0             [6-1 agg]
Semi-   1st leg Bayern Munich (H)       0-0
 final  2nd leg Bayern Munich (A)       1-1             [1-1 agg, Liverpool
win on away goals]
Final           Real Madrid (Paris)     1-0



Round 1 1st leg BK Odense (A)           1-0
        2nd leg BK Odense (H)           5-0             [6-0 agg]
Round 2 1st leg Atletico Bilbao (H)     0-0
        2nd leg Atletico Bilbao (A)     1-0             [1-0 agg]
Round 3 1st leg Benfica (H)             1-0
        2nd leg Benfica (A)             4-1             [5-1 agg]
Semi-   1st leg Dinamo Bucharest (H)    1-0
 final  2nd leg Dinamo Bucharest (A)    2-1             [3-2 agg]
Final           AS Roma (Rome)          1-1 (aet)       (Liverpool win 5-3
on penalties)

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 21:28:17 +0100
From:    Mark&Tanya <Mark&Tanya@GRAMPOUND.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Subject: <No subject given>

Are there any mpegs (or similar) of Shmikes' cartwheel on the net?

Tanya


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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:00:12 +0200
From:    Amir Inbar <amir79@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Subject: Re: Questions

> 2) Do you know how the ball posession between man Utd and Bayern was in the
> whole game?  Today I'm going to watch the game again on my VCR because I
> didn't see the big screen at Nou Camp, believe or not mates.

53-47 in United's favour. it was 57-43 at Half time.

--
Glory Glory Man United,
Amir Inbar,
Israel

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:03:30 +0200
From:    Amir Inbar <amir79@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Subject: Re: Euro vs S.America

>  Does anyone know the exact date of MU vs the champion of South
> America in Tokyo in November? Has the date been confirmed yet
> actually?

I believe it was set November 30-31.

Good to hear United will DECLINE the offer for the World Cup for Clubs.
a trip to South America for a 10 day tournament should not be on the
agenda. Fifa and Uefa or who ever are a bunch money grabbing ba... oh,
so are we.

I actually thought the damned tournament was INSTEAD of the Tokyo match
but they want them both. Well, Bayern were so close to it, let them go
to South America.


--
Glory Glory Man United,
Amir Inbar,
Israel

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Date:    Sat, 29 May 1999 18:16:18 +0200
From:    Amir Inbar <amir79@NETVISION.NET.IL>
Subject: Thoughts for next season

Well, it could be Bosnich for keeper. Who ever it is, if it's the man
Fergie wanted I would feel confident. I would have wanted Van Der Sar
but if not him, it might as well be Bosnich who knows the premier league
much better. We'll just see. Who knew Peter Schmeichel would be the
world's best when we signed him?

I really don't see us signing a full back. If we can get a midfield
player or two as Fergie wants I don't see why we'll need one as Phil
Neville won't have to play anywhere as he's been doing.

Hopefully David May will want to stay, even though we are somewhat well
covered at the back. We still don't know if Johnsen's "Jumpers-knee" is
true or not. We'll have to wait and see.

We certainly need some extra cover in midfield, though we should
calculate our moves well here. We can't exactly go and get a midfield
star and a right wing star. But if Fergie can find little Solskjaer's
somewhere, class players who won't think they deserve first team
football just because they are called X, it'll be good.

What about that left wing spot? Blomqvist was awful against Bayern, and
he hasn't set the world on fire in the second half of the season. But I
still believe in the lad. He has impressed in the first half of the
season. Let's just give him a chance hey? He might do a Sheringham.
Cruyff has scored a superb goal for celta last Sunday. Though if we keep
Jeppe and sign 1-2 midfield players, I don't see a future for him at Old
Trafford.

as for upfront, change nothing in personel. But I expect Fergie to share
a playing time a bit more. We are blessed to have 4 superb strikers.

As for the manager, isn't he just useless :-)
I was happy we won it for the fans, I was happy we won it for the
players, but most of all, I was happy we won it for Fergie. No one in
the world deserved to win the European cup more.

--
Glory Glory Man United,
Amir Inbar,
Israel

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End of MUFC Digest - 28 May 1999 to 29 May 1999 (#1999-40)
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