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Date: Wed Jun 30 05:42:33 GMT+00:00 1999
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This Issue:
2. RE: Manchester United and the FA Cup
3. Sydney Meeting  Matthew Wheeler 
4. United's costly gamble could be doomed 
5. FA Cup's image may be ruined forever
6. United Placed In 'No-Win' situation  
7. Manchester United and the FA Cup


 Wed 30th June 1999:

Barry Daily Comment:
Decision of FACUP expected today.
Sky Sports have announced the Premiership games they will be screening live
until the end of the year, opening with Manchester United's start to their
championship defence at Everton on Sunday 8 August. Arsenal's second game,

29-JUN-1999 [09:00] Celebrate with Sir!
Details of Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial events have been released,
and it looks like we're going to celebrate in style! 
A Testimonial Race Day is to be held at Haydock Park in the Boss's honour, 
along with a golf day, a Simply Red concert, and a United vs Rest of the World match. 
The party will take place between July and October this year. 
For more details and to book your day at the races, read on...

The Football Association - 
MANY have written to Martin Edwards and copied the same to David
Davies at the F.A. If you have feelings against the FA CUP move
please do likewise and make your feelings known. The fax
number for Manchester United is: UK-0161-876-5502 the FA is: UK-0171-402-0486.

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Previous News:
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  Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
 Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!


01-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Charity Shield, AWAY)
08-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Everton  (FA Premier League, AWAY)
11-AUG-1999 [20:00] Manchester Utd. vs Sheffield W  (FA Premier League, HOME)
14-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leeds U  (FA Premier League, HOME)
22-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Premier League, AWAY)

August 3rd Omagh Town, St Julian's Road ground
August 4th Wigan Athletic

****Pre season tour details JULY 1999 ***

Melbourne  Sydney  
Thu 15/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS evening in Melbourne 
    at the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground- capacity 90,000.) kick off 20.00hrs.
- Melbourne Cricket Ground 5 minutes from the city. Good transport available
 Tickets available - starts from $60.00 - behind the goal -next up is $90.00,
   $130.00 and $150.00

    Homebush Bay, Sydney  NEW SOUTH WALES  15.00 local time 
     Tickets for Sydney game try here:
   then type MANCHESTER in the search field.

   + Far East

Wed 21/7 Shangai first time ever!!!
 This match will be watched by 80,000 fans 
  The game has sold out with the Shanghai Star reporting the home side's
  chairman Yu Zhifei as saying: ''It is unprecedented that the tickets
  should sell out for a match five weeks in advance." 

Sat 24/7 Hong Kong  Repeat of the 1997 game
 "ALL matches will be shown "the same day" om MUTV.

UNITED Stats v All teams:

Pos Team                  P  W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Manchester United    38 14  4  1  45  18   8  9  2  35  19   43   79
 2  Arsenal              38 14  5  0  34   5   8  7  4  25  12   42   78
 3  Chelsea              38 12  6  1  29  13   8  9  2  28  17   27   75
 4  Leeds United         38 12  5  2  32   9   6  8  5  30  25   28   67

Here are the first matches in the coming season 1999/2000 fixture list:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899.htm
15 July Melbourne pre season Australia
18 July Sydney pre season Australia
21 July Shanghai pre season Shenhua
24 July Hong Kong pre season South China

1 Aug Wembley Ch Sh Arsenal
4 Aug Friendly Wigan Athletic
8 Aug away PL Everton
11 Aug home PL Sheffield Wednesday
14 Aug home PL Leeds United
21 Aug away PL Arsenal
25 Aug away PL Coventry City
27 Aug Monaco ESC Lazio
28 Aug away PL Newcastle United

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Subject: UNITED TAKE THEIR TIME OVER CUP DECISION Manchester United will not be rushed into ditching the FA Cup for the World Team Championship. The Treble winners are still mulling over the Football Association's unprecedented offer for them to withdraw from next season's competition and take part in the inaugural FIFA tournament. Some of the United board met last night to discuss the FA's proposal, and the club had suggested that they would make an announcement on Tuesday. But the United directors have still to decide and will now not release a statement until Wednesday at the earliest. Chairman and chief executive Martin Edwards said: "We had a meeting of some of the board last night, and it was not a full board meeting. "Dialogue is going on all the time, but I don't know when we will be able to make a statement." The FA are anxious for United to take part in the World Team Championship in Brazil between January 5-14 to help England's 2006 World Cup bid and have offered exemption from the FA Cup to ease their fixture congestion. They will not hurry United, although UEFA, who nominated them as Europe's representatives in the tournament, want a reply by July 9, and FA spokesman Steve Double said: "We are expecting a decision from United imminently." Edwards claims the FA has put the club in a no-win situation, and the Old Trafford board will take as long as they need before coming to a decision. He realises that they will be criticised whatever they decide. FA Cup sponsors AXA Assurance are watching developments closely and will want talks with the FA if United opt out of defending the trophy they won last month at Wembley.
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Subject: RE: ] Manchester United and the FA Cup Sorry but I don't agree with the philosophy here. I feel that a global tournament is a progressive and exciting idea - Sir Matt would not miss this for the world. The same forces which tried to keep us out of Europe in the 50's are at work again..........men of little vision afraid of change. Lets take our water, food, etc etc and lets go take part in this awesome idea. As for the FA Cup, lets enter a youth team or under-19 squad. If we get knocked out - too bad. From: "Bill Smith (UK)"
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Subject: Sydney Meeting Matthew Wheeler Attention all listees planning to go to the game in Sydney!! After extensive thought and research, I have decided that we should meet at The Orient hotel. The Orient is situated in The Rocks, at the corner of Argyll and George Street. I think that this pub would be a good choice as it is only 5 minutes walk from Circular Quay station - and only about 8 minutes walk from Wynyard. Given that we are going to have to get the train to Homebush, due to the restrictions on cars entering the site, I thought we should choose a pub within drunken staggering-distance of a station. This decision has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that they serve Boddingtons. Trust me. I have checked with the pub management, and they don't have any objection to 40 or so ladies and gentlemen invading their establishment and wearing football shirts. They did however raise some concerns about Nick Coppack drinking there. The pub has a number of floors - I thought we should meet on the ground floor. I will be there from midday. As the game kicks off at 3pm, I will probably leave the pub at about 1.45. I did briefly consider meeting at Crows Nest hotel, as we could then legitimately claim that our pre-match pub is "The Nest" - but it's too inconvenient to get to. Please everybody - come along and make the most of your Manchester day out! Indulge yourself with a jar or two of Boddingtons, wear your United clothing, and sing Red songs - we'll re-create that Old Trafford pre-match atmosphere. (Dave Marshall - my seat is Gate F, Aisle 609, Row 5, Seat 23 - a LONG way from you, I'm afraid.) Unfortunately, I neglected to ask the landlord if they serve Vimto. My apologies. Look forward to seeing all of you there, Matthew Matthew Wheeler Account Manager, NETg Asia Pacific Level 14 201 Miller Street North Sydney NSW 2060 phone +61 2 9460 2016 fax +61 2 9460 2017
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Subject: United's costly gamble could be doomed By Martin Lipton Tuesday, June 29, 1999 The unedifying sight of Manchester United becoming a pawn in a political power game proved just how much the Football Association will risk to bring the World Cup to English soil. As fans, other clubs and even the players' union boss Gordon Taylor voiced opposition to United ducking out of the FA Cup to fly the flag on the Government's behalf in the World Club Championship, Lancaster Gate was prepared to take the flak. With 10 million already invested in the campaign - plus as much again in political capital from Downing Street - the FA is willing to do everything it can to improve England's 2006 chances. The view is that the scale of the prize on offer means the gamble is worthwhile, that any short-term complaints will be swept aside come March if FIFA president Sepp Blatter announces England's most important away victory ever. On those terms, devaluing the FA Cup is a justifiable price. The pressure on the FA to send United to Brazil in January could not have been more clearly outlined than by Sports Minister Tony Banks' appearance at Westminster yesterday. Banks did not hesitate in telling the Commons the importance placed on United's participation, forecasting 'significant damage' would be dealt to the 2006 campaign if the European champions did not travel to South America. 'The FA and, indeed, the Government are asking Manchester United and all fans to do their best to enhance England's reputation and standing throughout the football world,' said Banks. 'Football fans are just as capable of recognising national effort and national interest as anyone else in this country.' Perhaps so, yet the stark fact that Lancaster Gate and Downing Street must privately ponder is whether all their efforts are being directed in pursuit of a target that has already been snatched away. England's bid-managers always knew they were starting behind their rivals, particularly South Africa and Germany. With the Germans, the big problem was the 1992 'gentlemen's agreement' to support their 2006 bid in return for Euro 96 backing, supposedly struck by former chairman Sir Bert Millichip. Privately, despite their public utterances, senior figures concede it was given, though they challenge Sir Bert's right to have done so without consultation. South Africa's clout was more political and perhaps even harder to deny. The reinvention of the one-time pariah state as the Rainbow Nation, led by arguably the world's favourite politician in Nelson Mandela, gave an opportunity for football's most obvious imbalance to be addressed - the World Cup on African soil. Even so, England's World Cup bid chiefs, led by the determined Alec McGivan, believed that by a clever and well-planned campaign they could make up the difference and come through on the rails to win. The key problem they faced is that England's diminished status in the modern game - no representation on the ruling executive committees of either UEFA or FIFA - meant a lack of real understanding of the political intrigue they must overcome to win. It is all well and good sending Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Geoff Hurst around the world glad-handing, or paying for Peter Withe to become a national hero as coach of Thailand, but if they have nobody able to pull the levers of power, the struggle will always be an uphill one. FIFA has yet to decide how the vote for 2006 will be conducted in Zurich in March but the FA antagonised many of its European colleagues with the last-minute decision to switch support to Blatter from UEFA head Lennart Johansson in last summer's presidential vote, believing that the Swede's outspoken support for Germany meant they could not afford to see him replace Joao Havelange. That alienated many in what should have been England's natural power-base in UEFA and even though Johansson has declared a free vote for Europe's seven appointed voters, the three-line whip might be implicit. In addition, the thought that Blatter was merely paying lip-service to the African dream to secure support for his candidacy has been proved false. Blatter has become a confidant of United Nations General Secretary Kofi Annan and met publicly with Mandela on many occasions, regularly endorsing South Africa. The terrifying crime rates in Johannesburg, Cape Town and elsewhere will be raised in whispered asides by England and Germany, who both have far superior facilities but as one insider pointed out: 'You don't honestly expect the best bid to win, do you?' This month's controversial decision to award the 2006 Winter Olympics to Turin, even though the International Olympic Committee's own report argued firmly in favour of Sion, was the sort of warning shot that should send shivers down the collective spines of the England bid team. Lancaster Gate believes its global charm offensive has seduced a firm eight supporters from the 24-man executive committee, yet promises of a vote can easily dissipate under veiled threats or offers of future riches from the men who really count. Without anybody on the inside track, without a power-broker of their own, England's bid is at the mercy of the key players who wield the influence in Zurich. If the 99 members of the IOC can be persuaded to ignore the evidence, then consider how much easier it would be to coerce a majority from a 24-man electorate, many of whom harbour their own ambitions of long-term preferment. Banks and Lancaster Gate might well be right in fearing that failure to be represented in Brazil would deal a fatal blow to England's chances. However, the bid could be dead in the water already.
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Subject: FA Cup's image may be ruined forever By Ian Gibb Monday, June 28, 1999 The FA Cup's image could be damaged beyond repair if Manchester United become the first major club to duck out of the competition in its 127-year history, according to Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor. He is backing the controversial idea of United receiving a bye into a later round - a suggestion which has infuriated Chelsea chairman Ken Bates, vice-chairman of the Challenge Cup committee. Taylor warned: 'If United are not in, it would be very damaging to the status of the FA Cup. 'Surely we could allow the European Champions League winners to enter at a later stage. United should enter the world tournament for the prestige it would bring English football.' United fans are up in arms, claiming the club has all but had a gun held to its head. Andy Walsh, chairman of the Independent Manchester United Supporters' Association said: 'The club has been put in an unfair position. This is not United saying they do not want to play in the FA Cup. This is the FA willing to sacrifice the oldest domestic cup competition in the world at the high altar of TV. 'The move has more to do with world football politics than Manchester United being offered an opportunity. 'I doubt if the same opportunity would have been offered if England weren't bid-ding for the 2006 World Cup. The FA is willing to sacrifice anything to secure that. Alex Ferguson said before the Champions League Final that he didn't want to play in this world championship. What happens if FIFA decides the world championship should be extended to four weeks? Is the FA going to say sacrifice the Premier League as well?' Alison Pilling, chair of the Football Supporters' Association, said: 'The domestic league should come as top priority, then the FA Cup, then see where other competitions fit in after that. This is another example of TV and money setting the agenda.'
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Subject: United Placed In 'No-Win' situation by Barnard Andre Good morning everyone. Reading our morning paper here in Cape Town, THE CAPE TIMES, I came across this article. I'm going to re-write it for you without permission so hold those thumbs that I don't get tracked down and incarserated. Here goes..... LONDON: " Manchester United officials were considering yesterday whether or not the club should defend the FA Cup or skip the domestic competition in favour of representing Europe in January's world club championship in Brazil. The English FA made the unprecedented offer of an exemption from the FA Cup for the European champions - provided they participate in the FIFA-backed world club championships. United officials were meeting at OT last night to consider all options, including playing in both competitions, although a decision was not expected until today. Manchester United chairman Martin Edwards said the FA had put the club in a 'no-win' situation. ' We're going to get criticised whatever we do' he said. The FA offer has outraged fans, who say United's triple title defense could be sacrificed so England had a better chance of winning the right to host the 2006 World Cup. United won the Premier League and FA Cup double last season and defeated Bayern Munich in the European Champions Cup final, which secured their berth in the inaugural world club championships. United manager Alex Ferguson (should've been Sir Alex) had appealed to the FA to give his a bye through to the fourth round of the FA Cup due to their demanding schedule. And, at one stage, United officials were considering withdrawing from the tournament in Brazil, which would allow Bayern Munich to represent Europe. But the FA responded, after consultation with the Premier League and the government, by offering Britain's richest soccer club a one-year exemption from the FA Cup. FA spokesman David Davies said the offer was for the good of Manchester United and English soccer. He said if United withdrrew and allowed Bayern Munich to participate, it would give Germany an advantage in lobbying for the 2006 World Cup. ' For the first time, there is a competition which will produce the undisputed best club in the world and we believe that Manchester United should be part of that. That is why we have worked to find a solution to help them, ' he added." - Sapa-AP Well what do you think of that? We already know who the best club team in the world is, is it necessary to give up our FA Cup to go and prove it? For argument sake, WHAT IF...... we do not do well and get knocked out due to a bad day (and everyone has one of those), would it have been worth departing with tradition? What explanation would the top brass give to the fans? let alone not being able to make history once again by defending all THREE cups successfully !!!!!!!!! FOOD FOR THOUGHT HEY ! Andre Barnard- CAPE TOWN RED Client Support Department X 97040
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Subject: Manchester United and the FA Cup From: paul@rarecompany.co.uk (Paul Windridge) letter sent out to the FA, Manchester United and every newspaper, radio station and TV I could find. >>>>>>>>> Manchester United MUST compete in the FA Cup or the competition will be devalued and the rot will have well and truly taken hold. The FA should not be allowed to hold Manchester United to ransom over the so called World Club Championship - Blatter's baby can wait as far as I'm concerned. Why would any team from Europe want to go to Brazil in their summertime and play in stifling heat for three weeks only to return completely incapable of continuing with their nromal season. It's surely a recipe for domestic disaster. We all know the FA are only concerned with the 2006 World Cup coming to these shores and that Manchester United are seen as ambassadors to help them achieve their aims. Pawns in the FA's game eh!! Not bloody likely. The World Club Championship is a step in the direction of the master plan for global football. A step towards the TV and media circus we fought so hard to prevent with the campaign against Murdoch and BSkyB. As usual the FA have assumed their favourite stance of passing the buck and non decision. How they can call themselves the game's ruling body in this country, I have no idea, because they never seem to make a decision, rather putting clubs such as Manchester United in impossible postions and no win situations. But where were the FA when Manchester United banned Eric Cantona? Did they do us any favours then? No they didn't - they did the opposite by extending the already ridiculous ban by several months. Thanks FA, but no thanks. The FA Cup must be seen to prevail and that means the holders MUST take part. Football's oldest competition must not be sacrificed for the sake of this new event - back to the roots chaps. Look after them and the game will grow - ignore them and the game will die. Make the right decision. Your sincerely PT Windridge
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Subject: EDWARDS: ACCEPTING IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE OPTION Maybe one day I will see Martin Edwards do something that puts the team's well being (in the footballing sense) ahead of his money making motives. But today is not it. Also, what favours do we owe the FA anyway? United should give the FA as much grief as they gave us: plenty. EDWARDS: ACCEPTING IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE OPTION Manchester United are likely to provoke a storm of controversy today by pulling out of the FA Cup in a bid to prove themselves the best team in the world. Chairman Martin Edwards said accepting the FA's offer to withdraw in order to play in the World Team Championship was "the only sensible option". He added: "It has yet to be ratified, but this is a chance for Manchester United to be the first champions of the world. It's tricky, but we really are in a no-win situation." The treble winners could never have dreamed that they would be embroiled in such an unwelcome, politics-packed situation so soon after basking in the glory of their exploits, and the likelihood of a mid-season excursion to Brazil, has elicited ambivalence, but mainly dismay, from big names in the domesticgame. PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor thinks the only workable solution to the problem would have been a `bye' into a later round, it would have to be the fifth round to avoid a clash. Taylor added: "I would have thought we could think about allowing any team that won the European Champions League to be seeded to enter the FA Cup at a later stage. "We can see no reason why there shouldn't be a new rule to give a club a bye into a later round in the FA Cup in these circumstances. Manchester United should enter the (World Team) tournament for the prestige it would bring English football," he added. Tony Banks told MPs: "Manchester United's exemption from next season's FA Cup is a one-off exceptional proposal for exceptional circumstances. There are two reasons for it. First of all, England has an unenviable reputation for looking down on new major tournaments. Frank Stapleton said: "I've been involved in a lot of great games, and I think that United should be involved in the FA Cup. They are the holders and the holders should defend the trophy. The FA are not being helpful in any way, the board will make their decision, I'm sure Alex will have his say, but they should play. Ithi9nk the easiest answer would be for them to say they won't take part. Where is this going to benefit Manchester United?" Alan Ball said: "I thought people were talking about the Worthington Cup, but then I realised they meant the FA Cup, and I thought 'No, that would be really sad.' Harry Redknapp commented: "I don't know where the hell they get these ideas from, the FA Cup needs Manchester United and they should defend it, end of story." from "Nabeel M. AlHaider"
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