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Date: fr 29 okt 1999 24:01 GMT+00:00
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This Issue:
1. It's all over: United out of Cup
2. Ferguson wanted United to defend FA Cup
3. United / fixtures congestion Personal article from JB
4. Manchester Senior cup - Result
5. Including last nghts game Uniteds Yellow Cards in the CL are:
6. MCCLAIR SHOCKER? - Daily Mirror
7. Re: Ask the StatMan
8. More player pics easily available



Barry Comment:
REDS reserves won on penalties tonight against
Man City in Man Senior Cup. Final score was 1-1
UNITED won 5-4 on penaties.
btw check this out! ........
** Croatia Zagreb sacks Ardiles
 ZAGREB, Croatia (October 28, 1999 4:53 p.m. EDT -
 Croatia Zagreb coach Osvaldo Ardiles was sacked and replaced on
 Thursday by deputy Marijan Vlak following the club's elimination from the
 European Champions League.
 Club president Zlatko Canjuga announced the news of the axing of the
 former Newcastle and Tottenham manager.
 "Ardiles has been sacked because of our inability to qualify through to the
 second phase of the European Champions League," Canjuga said.
 Vlak, who was the number two to Ardiles since last July, had been the
 head coach at Zagreb from July 1997 to March 1998.

ECL Group D  ** Manchester United **
Olympique de Marseille * NK Croatia Zagreb * SK Sturm Graz

Manchester United FC Champions League Squad List
 1 Mark John Bosnich      2 Gary Alexander Neville 3 Dennis Joseph Irwin
 4 David May              6 Jakob Stam             7 David Robert J Beckham
 8 Nicholas Butt          9 Andrew Alex. Cole      10 Edward Sheringham
11 Ryan Joseph Giggs     12 Philip Neville         14 Johan Jordi Cruyff
15 Lars Jesper Blomqvist 16 Roy Keane           17 Raimond RJH Van der Gouw
18 Paul Scholes          19 Dwight Yorke           20 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
21 Henning Berg          23 Michael Jamie Clegg    25 Josť Quinton Fortune
26 Massimo Taibi         31 Nicholas James Culkin  33 Mark Antony Wilson
34 Jonathan Greening

Group D                P W D L F A  PTS
Manchester United FC   5 3 1 1 7 3  10 
Olympique de Marseille 5 3 0 2 8 6   9 
SK Sturm Graz          5 2 0 3 4 10  6 
NK Croatia Zagreb      5 1 1 3 5 5   4 

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Previous News:
 BSKYB Takeover news/pics at http://www.red11.org/mufc/bskyb.htm
  Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
 Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!

*** FIXTURES ON 30/10/99 ***
             Arsenal  v  Newcastle United
        Derby County  v  Chelsea
        Leeds United  v  West Ham United
      Leicester City  v  Sheffield Wednesday
   Manchester United  v  Aston Villa
       Middlesbrough  v  Everton
           Wimbledon  v  Southampton

*** FIXTURES ON 31/10/99 ***
       Coventry City  v  Watford
          Sunderland  v  Tottenham Hotspur

           Liverpool   1-0   West Ham United       44,012


Pos Team                  P   W   D   L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Leeds United         12   8   2   2  25  16    9   26
 2  Arsenal              12   8   1   3  20  12    8   25
 3  Sunderland           12   7   3   2  21  10   11   24
 4  Manchester United    12   7   3   2  28  19    9   24
 5  Tottenham Hotspur    11   6   2   3  20  15    5   20
 6  Leicester City       12   6   2   4  20  17    3   20
 7  Chelsea              10   6   1   3  17   7   10   19
 8  Everton              12   5   3   4  21  18    3   18
 9  Liverpool            12   5   3   4  13  11    2   18
10  Aston Villa          12   5   3   4  13  12    1   18
11  Middlesbrough        12   6   0   6  16  16    0   18
12  West Ham United      11   5   2   4  12  10    2   17
13  Coventry City        12   3   4   5  16  15    1   13
14  Southampton          11   3   3   5  18  22   -4   12
15  Wimbledon            12   2   6   4  18  26   -8   12
16  Bradford City        11   3   2   6   9  17   -8   11
17  Newcastle United     12   3   1   8  23  27   -4   10
18  Watford              12   3   0   9   8  18  -10    9
19  Derby County         12   2   3   7  10  21  -11    9
20  Sheffield Wednesday  12   1   2   9   8  27  -19    5

30-OCT-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Aston Villa  (FA Premier League, HOME)
02-NOV-1999 [19:45] Manchester Utd. vs Sturm Graz  (UEFA Champions League, HOME)
06-NOV-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leicester C  (FA Premier League, HOME)
20-NOV-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Derby C  (FA Premier League, AWAY)


UNITED Stats v All teams:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix992000.htm
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000
All dates/times subject to change
Dates of possible cup ties also shown

Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/07/99    Melbourne Australia   pre-season  W  2-0     -    60,000
18/07/99    Sydney    Australia   pre-season  W  1-0     -    78,000
21/07/99    Shanghai  Shenhua     pre-season  W  2-0     -    80,000
24/07/99    Hong Kong South China pre-season  W  2-0     -    40,000

 1/08/99    Arsenal   Wembley Charity Shield  L  1-2     -    70,185
 3/08/99    Omagh Town Omagh Bomb Fund        W  9-0     -     7,000
 4/08/99    Wigan Athletic friendly           W  2-0     -    15,000 
08/08/99    Everton                  Away PL  D  1-1    10    39,141
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      Home PL  W  4-0     3    54,941
14/08/99    Leeds United             Home PL  W  2-0     1    55,187
22/08/99    Arsenal                  Away PL  W  2-1     1    38,147
25/08/99    Coventry City            Away PL  W  2-1     1    22,024 
27/08/99    Monaco - Lazio               ESC  L  0-1     -    15,223
30/08/99    Newcastle United         Home     W  5-1     1    55,190
11/09/99    Liverpool                Away     W  3-2     1    44,929
14/09/99    Croatia Zagreb           Home EC  D  0-0     -    53,250
18/09/99    Wimbledon                Home     D  1-1     1    55,189
22/09/99    Sturm Graz               Away EC  W  3-0     -    16,480
25/09/99    Southampton              Home     D  3-3     1    55,249
29/09/99    Marseille                Home EC  W  2-1     -    54,276
 3/10/99    Chelsea                  Away PL  L  0-5     2    34,909
11/10/99    Sir Alex Testimonial     Home F   L  2-4  LEGENDS 54,842      
13/10/99    Aston Villa              Away WC3 L  0-3     -    33,815
16/10/99    Watford                  Home PL  W  4-1     2    55,188
19/10/99    Marseille                Away EC  L  0-1     -    57,745 
23/10/99    Tottenham Hotspur        Away     L  1-3     3    36,072

27/10/99    Croatia Zagreb           Away EC   19.45
30/10/99    Aston Villa              home PL   15.00
 2/11/99    Sturm Graz               Home EC   19.45 
 6/11/99    Leicester City           Home PL   15.00
20/11/99    Derby County             Away PL   15.00
24/11/99    ?     EC
27/11/99    Sheffield Wednesday      Away PL   15.00
30/11/99    Tokyo  Palmeiras         WCC       20.00
 4/12/99    Everton                  Home PL   15.00
 8/12/99    ?     EC
18/12/99    West Ham United          Away PL   15.00
26/12/99    Bradford City            Home PL   15.00
28/12/99    Sunderland               Away PL   20.00  "live on sky"
 3/01/2000  Middlesborough           Home PL   20.00
 JAN 05-14  Brazil WTC [3-4 games]
06/01/2000  Necaxa (Mexico)          Neut WTC  16.00
08/01/2000  Vasco da Gama (Brazil)   Away WTC  16.00
11/01/2000  South Melbourne (Australia) N WTC  16.00
22/01/2000  Arsenal                  Home PL   15.00
 5/02/2000  Coventry City            Home PL   15.00
12/02/2000  Newcastle United         Away PL   15.00
26/02/2000  Wimbledon                Away PL   15.00
 1/03/2000  ?   EC
 4/03/2000  Liverpool                Home PL   15.00
 8/03/2000  ?   EC
11/03/2000  Derby County             Home PL   15.00
15/03/2000  ?   EC
18/03/2000  Leicester City           Away PL   15.00
22/03/2000  ?   EC
25/03/2000  Bradford City            Away PL   15.00
 1/04/2000  West Ham United          Home PL   15.00
 5/04/2000  ?   EC qf i
 8/04/2000  Middlesborough           Away PL   15.00
15/04/2000  Sunderland               Home PL   15.00
19/04/2000  ?   EC qf ii
22/04/2000  Southampton              Away PL   15.00
24/04/2000  Chelsea                  Home PL   15.00
29/04/2000  West Ham United          Away PL   15.00
 3/05/2000  ?   EC sf i
 6/05/2000  Tottenham Hotspur        Home PL   15.00
10/05/2000  ?   EC sf ii
14/05/2000  Aston Villa              Away PL   15.00
24/05/2000  ?   EC Final



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It's all over: United out of Cup Vivek Chaudhary Friday October 29, 1999 Manchester United are formally to tell the Football Association today that they will not take part in the FA Cup. United had been given until this weekend to make a decision about the tournament but club secretary Ken Merrett yesterday said the club had decided not to defend the FA Cup, which they won last year. United say they have been pressurised by the government and organisers of England's bid to host the 2006 World Cup to take part in the first Fifa World Club Championship in Brazil next January. That made it impossible to meet FA Cup fixture obligations. Today's formal announce ment to withdraw follows a vociferous campaign and a last- minute attempt by the United director and former player Sir Bobby Charlton to broker an agreement. Sir Bobby said: "I have tried to give it one more go but it's impossible to come up with a solution."
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Ferguson wanted United to defend FA Cup England's bid to stage World Cup and cash at stake in Brazil tournament put paid to attempts to keep Reds in 127-year-old contest. Vivek Chaudhary Friday October 29, 1999 For Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson it was an insult. The sport minister, Kate Hoey, had criticised the club for insulting its fans by refusing to participate in the FA Cup, and Ferguson wanted to set the record straight. He wanted to defend the cup, which his beloved Reds had won a year earlier; his players wanted to play in the world's oldest cup competition; and, more importantly, the decision to withdraw, first announced in June, was not his. Ferguson picked up his mobile phone, punched in a number and was straight through to Tony Blair, who was at a conference on the bombing of Kosovo. "Blair was not too pleased, but neither was Ferguson," said a source. The fact that Ferguson was able to call the prime minister on his mobile phone shows the importance attached to United's participation in the FA Cup and the implications of the decision to withdraw. Over the past few weeks attempts to negotiate an agreement that would allow the club to take part in the Cup and in next year's inaugural World Club Championship have involved Mr Blair, Ms Hoey, the culture and sport secretary Chris Smith, and representatives of players and football organisations. The Guardian has learned that the Premier League offered to extend the football season by up to 10 days to allow United to participate in the Cup, but this was rejected by the Football Association and the club's directors. A source said the FA "didn't want an extension because of the European Championships next summer and because they felt that it would be unfair to other clubs." A follow-up offer to extend the season for all English clubs in European competitions was similarly rejected. "It was a genuine offer and a genuine way of getting around the problem," said the source. "It was controversial in its implications for other clubs, and both the FA and United moved pretty quickly to reject it." When United first announced their decision to withdraw from the Cup in June, the world of football was left reeling by the snub to tradition. For the first time in the cup's 127-year history the holders had declared that they would not be defending the trophy. United claimed that they had been pressured, by the government and organisers of England's bid to secure the 2006 World Cup, to take part in next January's World Club Championship in Brazil. That tournament, with eight of the world's leading teams competing, is being organised by Fifa, world football's governing body. Snubbing it could affect England's chances of staging the 2006 World Cup, organisers of England's bid claimed. United's directors claimed that not only were they doing a favour to England's bid by travelling to Brazil but, given United's involvement in other competitions, something had to give and that would have to be the FA Cup. What has emerged is that Ferguson and his players are opposed to withdrawing from the Cup and have voiced their concerns to their club chairman, Martin Edwards, on several occasions. Leading players such as captain Roy Keane have expressed their opposition to the withdrawal to the Professional Footballers Association, which has intervened on their behalf. However, while Manchester United FC want to defend the world's most prestigious cup Manchester United plc are trying to cash in on the opportunity to play in a global tournament in Brazil. Football finance analyst Simon Banks said: "United stand to make millions of pounds through the global exposure they will receive by participating in Brazil, much more than can be made in the FA Cup. It's a great opportunity for the club to spread the brand name. United are opening club shops around the world." From the moment United announced their FA Cup decision, attempts have been made to broker an agreement. Ferguson was in favour of granting United a bye from the fourth round, which coincides with the competition in Brazil. This was opposed by chairmen of other Premier League clubs, although Real Madrid, the other European side in the Brazil tournament, have been granted a bye from their domestic cup competition. The FA held a meeting with the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association, which opposes the withdrawal. Andy Walsh of Imusa said: "We put forward a number of options, but it was quite obvious that the FA did not genuinely want to find a solution. They do not want to do anything that might damage England's 2006 chances." Eventually, the FA presented United with this weekend's deadline for a decision, which led to a last minute intervention by Sir Bobby Charlton, former player and now a director at the club. It proved to be a case of too little, too late.
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United / fixtures congestion Personal article from JB Am I the ony United fan who thinks that all the talk of soiling the integrity of the FA Cup is a crock of something smelly? The idea that we should enter a reserve team appears even more of an insult to the competition. In future years, the FA Cup will simply have to be organised around the international competitions. I don't understand why it hasn't been this year - it certainly isn't United's fault. If the FA wants United in the Cup, then the FA must be flexible. Personally, I think that the opportunity to be inaugural world club champions is a bigger shot than watching another drab final against the toon army (I'll ignore the fact that Giggs' goal against Arsenal in the semi was the high point of the season for me, as I am sure that there will be similar moments in Brasil). But the real problem is that United should not have to chose between competitions. It is no good blaming Martin Edwards for the inability of the various football authorities to limit the number of games clubs are required to play. The obvious solution would be for the number of clubs in the Premier League to be cut to a maximum of sixteen (and there are not even sixteen worthy teams) and for teams in international competitions to play only one domestic cup competition (given that the top clubs don't take the Worthington Cup seriously anyway). The expanded Champions League can fit in as a midweek competition as it does now. All the games would be of higher quality as teams would be more likely to field a fit, first choice line-up. This reorganisation would leave time for a break (at least for those teams involved) in the middle of the season to fit in the world club competition. Clearly, this cannot be played in parallel with domestic or continental competitions (however, a competition like the Worthington Cup could be played at home over the same period). The current format for the world club competitions already ensures that teams will be tired by the final and games should be spread over a slightly longer period. The need for a mid-season break could be avoided by playing the competition only every two years using the summers between the World Cups and European Championships - this would also mean we did not have to suffer pointless trips to China or Australia (just in case anyone is thinking of suggesting a rest for the players over the summer!). Maybe the games against foreign clubs do not bring the same passion in the terraces as games against domestic rivals. However, great teams are judged not by domestic success, which United have found relatively easy in the the 90s, but against the best in Europe and the world. The major complaint to be levelled against the new world club competition is that it is being played in Brasil at the worst time of year as far as climate is concerned. If the two Brasilian teams do not make it to the final, with the odds so stacked in their favour, it will be a surprise. I do not understand how any international competition can be arranged to coincide with extremes of temperature and humidity which make the competition unfair. The concerns of football should come before concerns of politics or money. Naturally, I wish United every success in the competition. I suspect that winning it will be their only chance of silverware this year as they will be physically wrecked by the time they return. It is not merely the change in climate which will drain United - any viewer of Brasilian football will tell you that the physically uncompromising style of play we are likely to encounter (with possibly two out of four games against Brasilian sides) will ensure injuries in addition to lack of strength and stamina. Players such as Beckham will be kicked off the park before they have a chance to shine. Copyright JB
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Manchester Senior cup - Result Manchester Senior Cup Sean Wright Philips scored 1st in the 2nd half 1-0 to CITY! past Taibi! 2nd half 69 mins Mark Wilson good finish close-in UNITED 1-1 CITY Full time Penalties Man City 4 v 5 UNITED 1-0 top corner Gary Neville 1-1 bottom right very cool 2-1 Sean Wright Philips good finish Taibi wrong way Jordi Cruyff 2-2 bottom right keeper wrong way 2-2 TAIBI SAVES!!! delighted Greening 3-2 Bottom right - cool 3-3 just in - Taibi gets hand to it, unlucky Mark Wison top left VERY confident 4-3 4-4 Alsop last pen Capt David May 5-4 UNITED WIN!!!!! 5 out of five pens cool :)))
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Including last nghts game Uniteds Yellow Cards in the CL are: Croatia Zagreb (h) None Sturm Graz (a) Beckham Marseille (h) P Neville Marseille (a) Scholes Yorke Beckham Croatia Zagreb (a) P Neville Scholes Beckham Beckham/Scholes are banned for next game having collected 3 Yellow Cards. I don't what the trigger is for a further ban, possibly 2 or 3 more Yellows? Paul
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MCCLAIR SHOCKER - Daily Mirror BRIAN McClair was "hurt and confused" last night after it emerged he had become the innocent victim of Sir Alex Ferguson's bitter feud with Brian Kidd. McClair, a loyal lieutenant of Ferguson's for 12 success-laden years at Manchester United, is reeling after feeling the icy repercussions of Ferguson's wrath. Mirror Sport can reveal that McClair, now working as Kidd's No 2 at Blackburn, was snubbed for Ferguson's recent money-spinning testimonial. Both sides have tried to keep the matter under wraps in the aftermath of the extravaganza that earned Fergie pounds 1million. But a close pal of McClair confirmed the ongoing row between Ferguson and his former right-hand man Kidd had now extended to the ex-Scotland international. "This has hit Brian extremely hard," revealed his pal. "He left Old Trafford on excellent terms and always enjoyed a good working relationship with Ferguson. "His loyalty seems to have been thrown back in his face. "Understandably, he is feeling hurt and confused."
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Re: Ask the StatMan CC: Barry Leeming Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) ============================================================================ Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 Time: 5:12 PM EST Submitted by: Kaylee Email address: david_4_ever@hotmail.com Ask the StatMan who are the names of all of the managers since 1892 visitor_country: Canada visitor_age: 13 question: who are the names of all of the managers that managed Man Utd since 1892? please hurry i need it for a report. thanx ============================================================================ 1892-1903 United were run by Secretary AH Albut and then James West 1903-1912 Ernest Mangnall 1912-1913 Secretary TJ Wallworth 1913-1914 Secretary JJ Bentley 1914-1921 John Robson 1921-1926 John Chapman 1926-1927 Player/Manager Clarence Hilditch 1927-1931 Herbert Bamlett 1931-1932 Secretary Walter Crickmer 1932-1937 Scott Duncan 1937-1945 Secretary Walter Crickmer 1945-Feb 1958 Sir Matt Busby Feb-Aug 1958 Jimmy Murphy Aug 1958-1969 Sir Matt Busby 1969-1970 Wilf McGuinness 1970-1971 Sir Matt Busby 1971-1972 Frank O'Farrell 1972-1977 Tommy Docherty 1977-1981 Dave Sexton 1981-1986 Ron Atkinson 1986- Sir Alex Ferguson
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UNITED'S BRAZIL DATES Manchester United today learned exactly when and where they will be playing in next year's FIFA World Club Championships in Brazil. FIFA, who announced squads of 23 players must be submitted 10 days before the £15million competition starts, confirmed the dates and kick-off times for the event which runs from January 5 to 14 January as follows: Group A Jan 5 - Sao Paulo 6.45pm (local time): Real Madrid v Al-Nassr Sao Paulo 9.15pm: Corinthians v CAF representative Jan 7 - Sao Paulo 6.45pm: Real Madrid v Corinthians Sao Paulo 9.15pm: CAF representative v Al-Nassr Jan 10 - Sao Paulo 6.45pm: Real Madrid v CAF representative Sao Paulo 9.15pm Al-Nassr vs Corinthians Group B Jan 6 - Rio de Janeiro 6.15pm: Man Utd v Necaxa Rio de Janeiro 8.45pm: Vasco da Gama v South Melbourne Jan 8 - Rio de Janeiro 6.15pm: Man Utd v Vasco da Gama Rio de Janeiro 8.45pm: South Melbourne v Necaxa Jan 11 - Rio de Janeiro 6.15pm: Man Utd v South Melbourne Rio de Janeiro 8.45pm: Necaxa v Vasco da Gama Jan 14 - Third place play-off, 5pm: 2nd Group A v 2nd Group B Final, 8pm: 1st Group A v 1st Group B
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