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Date: 28th Okt 1999 23:18 GMT+00:00
Mail: barry@www.red11.org
This Issue:
1. AT LEAST GODS ARE SMILING ON SIR ALEX'S REDS - Croatia Zagreb 1-2 Man Utd
2. FERGIE: ZAGREB WIN SILENCED CRITICS
3. MAN UTD RATINGS v CROATIA ZAGREB
4. REDS HIT THE TARGET
5. That FA Cup debacle - Personal Article sent to MUFC Daily News
6. Ask the StatMan - WHY ARE WE LOSING SO MUCH FOUR GAMES IN FIVE GAMES
7. Andy Cole Unlimited - PLEASE READ!
8. Scholes' star-struck fan
9. UNITED 9-2 FOR CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE
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MANCHESTER UNITED DAILY NEWS Thursday 28th Oct 1999:
Barry Comment:
Tremendous win away from home and we qualified.
Becks & Scholes [intentional] bookings towards the end of the game means that
both serve their suspensions in the unimportant Sturm game next Tues!
They will then have clean sheets for the next Champions League round.
ECL Group D ** Manchester United **
Olympique de Marseille * NK Croatia Zagreb * SK Sturm Graz
Manchester United FC Champions League Squad List
1 Mark John Bosnich 2 Gary Alexander Neville 3 Dennis Joseph Irwin
4 David May 6 Jakob Stam 7 David Robert J Beckham
8 Nicholas Butt 9 Andrew Alex. Cole 10 Edward Sheringham
11 Ryan Joseph Giggs 12 Philip Neville 14 Johan Jordi Cruyff
15 Lars Jesper Blomqvist 16 Roy Keane 17 Raimond RJH Van der Gouw
18 Paul Scholes 19 Dwight Yorke 20 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
21 Henning Berg 23 Michael Jamie Clegg 25 José Quinton Fortune
26 Massimo Taibi 31 Nicholas James Culkin 33 Mark Antony Wilson
34 Jonathan Greening
Group D P W D L F A PTS
Manchester United FC 5 3 1 1 7 3 10
Olympique de Marseille 5 3 0 2 8 6 9
SK Sturm Graz 5 2 0 3 4 10 6
NK Croatia Zagreb 5 1 1 3 5 5 4
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*** FIXTURES ON 27/10/99 ***
Liverpool v West Ham United
*** FIXTURES ON 30/10/99 ***
Arsenal v Newcastle United
Derby County v Chelsea
Leeds United v West Ham United
Leicester City v Sheffield Wednesday
Manchester United v Aston Villa
Middlesbrough v Everton
Wimbledon v Southampton
*** FIXTURES ON 31/10/99 ***
Coventry City v Watford
Sunderland v Tottenham Hotspur
*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 25/10/99 ***
Newcastle United 2-0 Derby County 35,614
*** CONDENSED LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 25/10/99 ***
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Leeds United 12 8 2 2 25 16 9 26
2 Arsenal 12 8 1 3 20 12 8 25
3 Sunderland 12 7 3 2 21 10 11 24
4 Manchester United 12 7 3 2 28 19 9 24
5 Tottenham Hotspur 11 6 2 3 20 15 5 20
6 Leicester City 12 6 2 4 20 17 3 20
7 Chelsea 10 6 1 3 17 7 10 19
8 Everton 12 5 3 4 21 18 3 18
9 Aston Villa 12 5 3 4 13 12 1 18
10 Middlesbrough 12 6 0 6 16 16 0 18
11 West Ham United 10 5 2 3 12 9 3 17
12 Liverpool 11 4 3 4 12 11 1 15
13 Coventry City 12 3 4 5 16 15 1 13
14 Southampton 11 3 3 5 18 22 -4 12
15 Wimbledon 12 2 6 4 18 26 -8 12
16 Bradford City 11 3 2 6 9 17 -8 11
17 Newcastle United 12 3 1 8 23 27 -4 10
18 Watford 12 3 0 9 8 18 -10 9
19 Derby County 12 2 3 7 10 21 -11 9
20 Sheffield Wednesday 12 1 2 9 8 27 -19 5
NEXT MATCHES
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30-OCT-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Aston Villa (FA Premier League, HOME)
02-NOV-1999 [19:45] Manchester Utd. vs Sturm Graz (UEFA Champions League, HOME)
06-NOV-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leicester C (FA Premier League, HOME)
20-NOV-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Derby C (FA Premier League, AWAY)
*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED -
UNITED Stats v All teams:
http://www.red11.org/mufc/stats/
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix992000.htm
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000
All dates/times subject to change
Dates of possible cup ties also shown
Date Opposition Score Pos. Attend.
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15/07/99 Melbourne Australia pre-season W 2-0 - 60,000
18/07/99 Sydney Australia pre-season W 1-0 - 78,000
21/07/99 Shanghai Shenhua pre-season W 2-0 - 80,000
24/07/99 Hong Kong South China pre-season W 2-0 - 40,000
1/08/99 Arsenal Wembley Charity Shield L 1-2 - 70,185
3/08/99 Omagh Town Omagh Bomb Fund W 9-0 - 7,000
4/08/99 Wigan Athletic friendly W 2-0 - 15,000
08/08/99 Everton Away PL D 1-1 10 39,141
11/08/99 Sheffield Wednesday Home PL W 4-0 3 54,941
14/08/99 Leeds United Home PL W 2-0 1 55,187
22/08/99 Arsenal Away PL W 2-1 1 38,147
25/08/99 Coventry City Away PL W 2-1 1 22,024
27/08/99 Monaco - Lazio ESC L 0-1 - 15,223
30/08/99 Newcastle United Home W 5-1 1 55,190
11/09/99 Liverpool Away W 3-2 1 44,929
14/09/99 Croatia Zagreb Home EC D 0-0 - 53,250
18/09/99 Wimbledon Home D 1-1 1 55,189
22/09/99 Sturm Graz Away EC W 3-0 - 16,480
25/09/99 Southampton Home D 3-3 1 55,249
29/09/99 Marseille Home EC W 2-1 - 54,276
3/10/99 Chelsea Away PL L 0-5 2 34,909
11/10/99 Sir Alex Testimonial Home F L 2-4 LEGENDS 54,842
13/10/99 Aston Villa Away WC3 L 0-3 - 33,815
16/10/99 Watford Home PL W 4-1 2 55,188
19/10/99 Marseille Away EC L 0-1 - 57,745
23/10/99 Tottenham Hotspur Away L 1-3 3 36,072
27/10/99 Croatia Zagreb Away EC 19.45
30/10/99 Aston Villa home PL 15.00
2/11/99 Sturm Graz Home EC 19.45
6/11/99 Leicester City Home PL 15.00
20/11/99 Derby County Away PL 15.00
24/11/99 ? EC
27/11/99 Sheffield Wednesday Away PL 15.00
30/11/99 Tokyo Palmeiras WCC 20.00
4/12/99 Everton Home PL 15.00
8/12/99 ? EC
18/12/99 West Ham United Away PL 15.00
26/12/99 Bradford City Home PL 15.00
28/12/99 Sunderland Away PL 20.00 "live on sky"
3/01/2000 Middlesborough Home PL 20.00
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JAN 05-14 Brazil WTC [3-4 games]
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06/01/2000 Necaxa (Mexico) Neut WTC 16.00
08/01/2000 Vasco da Gama (Brazil) Away WTC 16.00
11/01/2000 South Melbourne (Australia) N WTC 16.00
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22/01/2000 Arsenal Home PL 15.00
5/02/2000 Coventry City Home PL 15.00
12/02/2000 Newcastle United Away PL 15.00
26/02/2000 Wimbledon Away PL 15.00
1/03/2000 ? EC
4/03/2000 Liverpool Home PL 15.00
8/03/2000 ? EC
11/03/2000 Derby County Home PL 15.00
15/03/2000 ? EC
18/03/2000 Leicester City Away PL 15.00
22/03/2000 ? EC
25/03/2000 Bradford City Away PL 15.00
1/04/2000 West Ham United Home PL 15.00
5/04/2000 ? EC qf i
8/04/2000 Middlesborough Away PL 15.00
15/04/2000 Sunderland Home PL 15.00
19/04/2000 ? EC qf ii
22/04/2000 Southampton Away PL 15.00
24/04/2000 Chelsea Home PL 15.00
29/04/2000 West Ham United Away PL 15.00
3/05/2000 ? EC sf i
6/05/2000 Tottenham Hotspur Home PL 15.00
10/05/2000 ? EC sf ii
14/05/2000 Aston Villa Away PL 15.00
24/05/2000 ? EC Final
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AT LEAST GODS ARE SMILING ON SIR ALEX'S REDS - Croatia Zagreb 1-2 Man Utd
If Sir Alex Ferguson really was being serious pre-match in Zagreb when he
spoke of the world’s hatred of Manchester United, then at least he can rest
assured the Gods are still smiling on his all-conquering men of last season.
Because if ever United, in the middle of a serious glut of poor form,
required a nice easy stroll on the continent, with three points secured in
the bargain, then this potentially hazardous trip to the capital of
Croatian football was the time and place.
Hence, their grateful acceptance of three moments of luck which fell their
way during the first half. Firstly, Paul Scholes clumsy challenge in his
own area went in their favour with the referee waving play on. Yes we all
know how dangerous he can be from the deadball scenario but the angle and
distance from the left-hand side of the Croatia half made a breakthrough
seem a tad ambitious. Until that is, the London-born, Manchester United-mad
winger rifled a peach of curler past the edge of the Zagreb wall, flying
into the far corner.
When Zagreb skipper and influential sweeper Juric was forced off through
injury shortly before the break, United knew this was their lucky night
indeed. Juric had been by far the most accomplished within Ossie Ardiles’
team.
Their good fortune was not about to end there either. Shortly after the
resumption, skipper Roy Keane hammered an optimistic long-range drive
firmly, but hardly with the lethal venom he often can. Yet a wicked
deflection off a Croat defender left Zagreb’s second-choice keeper
wrong-footed as it rolled into his left corner.
Thereafter with Strum Graz winning against leaders Marseille it was just a
matter of hanging onto the two-goal cushion.
The bookings of Scholes and Beckham rule them out of the final group clash,
against the Austrians next Wednesday, but in reality with the Reds already
through, only improve the situation. Both crucial figures will be back with
a clean slate for the serious business of stage two in their defence of the
trophy won last year for the second time in the club's history.
Not even a late Robert Prosinecki strike right at the death could dampen or
harm the United mood. Getting through is all that matters right now – and
they have done that.
Croatia Zagreb: Butina, Tokic, Sedloski, Juric (Prosinecki 35), Mujcin,
Rukavina, Mikic (Simic 55), Saric, Cvitanovic (Mumlek 69), Tomas, Sokota.
Subs Not Used: Vasilj, Krznar, Pavlovic, Kozniku.
Booked: Sokota.
Goals: Prosinecki 90.
Man Utd: Bosnich, Irwin, Stam, Berg, Neville, Beckham, Keane, Scholes
(Greening 68), Giggs, Cole (Cruyff 78), Yorke (Solskjaer 59).
Subs Not Used: Van Der Gouw, May, Clegg, Higginbottom.
Booked: Neville, Scholes, Beckham.
Goals: Beckham 32, Keane 49.
Att: 38,000
Ref: D Jol (Holland)
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FERGIE: ZAGREB WIN SILENCED CRITICS
By Paul Walker, PA Sport, Zagreb
Sir Alex Ferguson claimed his European champions answered their critics the
only way they know - by winning.
The 2-1 success over Croatia Zagreb puts Fergie's side back on top of Group
D and into the next stage of the Champions League.
Ferguson side came into the game on the back of four defeats in five games
- but they were back on song here.
The United manager said: "It was a decent result. Not our best, but when
you have lost some games, the only answer is to win, and they have done that.
"Croatia are a difficult side on their own ground, but we handled this game
OK.
"I am pleased that everything does now not hang on our last match at home
to Sturm Graz next week."
Croatia's Argentinian boss Ossie Ardiles had few complaints and praised
United's qualities.
The former Tottenham playmaker said: "United were the better team. Last
season they won the title with fine away form, and that is what we saw
tonight."
Ardiles was asked afterwards if he was going to resign, and he replied:
"No, and that is a stupid question. Will they fire me tomorrow? Anything
can happen here."
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MAN UTD RATINGS v CROATIA ZAGREB
Mark Bosnich - Appeared dumbfounded by Robert Prosinecki's late goal but
had had little to do throughout the game. 6.
Denis Irwin - An industrious and solid performance but what else do you
expect? 8.
Jaap Stam - Rarely troubled by Zagreb's disappointing attack but what he
needed to do, he did well. 8.
Henning Berg - Followed Stam's example and never looked in trouble. 7.
Phil Neville - Some good forays down the right flank, linking well with
Beckham. 7.
David Beckham - Excellent free-kick to open the scoring for United before
settling into a comfortable display on the right, despite second-half
booking. 7.
Roy Keane - A little fortunate with the deflection for his early second
half but another resolute performance from the Irishman. 9.
Paul Scholes - Resilient display but second half booking before his
substitution means he will miss Sturm Graz game. 7.
Ryan Giggs - The occasional dangerous run brought a glimpse of his talent
but overall an average game for the Welshman. 7.
Dwight Yorke - An uneventful night for the lightning-quick forward despite
Zagreb's suspect defence and eventually replaced by Solskjaer. 6.
Andy Cole - Like his regular strike partner Yorke, Cole did not have the
most productive of nights before being replaced by Cruyff. 6.
Subs: Jordi Cruyff - Only on the field for 10 minutes after replacing Cole. 5.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - Linked well with Cole in the second period after
coming on for Yorke. 6.
Jonathan Greening - Some neat passing but not on the field long enough to
make any major impression. 6.
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REDS HIT THE TARGET
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson admitted that Roy Keane's
49th-minute goal had been the killer blow to opponents Croatia Zagreb.
United were already leading through a David Beckham strike direct from a
free-kick but Keane's drive from 20 yards was deflected past the Zagreb
goalkeeper to give the European Champions a two-goal cushion.
Robert Prosinecki earned a 90th-minute consolation which disappointed
Ferguson but he had no complaints at the result which puts United through
to the second stage of the competition.
``We made a lot of mistakes but once we scored, I couldn't see them coming
back. They scored at the end but I think it was all over by then,''
Ferguson said.
``It was a good time for Roy to score for us just after half-time. I think
that killed them.
``I was disappointed to concede a goal at the end but, in all fairness,
there was some good quality to their game. They defended well throughout
the game.''
But Ferguson was unconcerned that both Beckham and Paul Scholes were
cautioned and will now miss the final group game against Sturm Graz at Old
Trafford.
``That didn't matter because we knew we had to win the game anyway. The win
was our target anyway,'' Ferguson said.
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That FA Cup debacle - Personal Article sent to MUFC Daily News
As if I'm not ranting over a dead issue and a foregone conclusion, but it
seems in many ways the end of the world, the day that FA Cup holders
Manchester United set in stone the decision to withdraw from the competition
altogether. They and other teams like them have compromised the rigours of
their demanding fixtures list this year as in years past by fielding a squad
of reserves in such less esteemed tourneys as the Football League's
Worthington Cup, and have no excuse for not following suit here by fielding
the reserves in the fourth round of the FA Cup. The FA Cup as a vital
complement to the domestic league has traditionally provided entertaining,
competitive ties and there is no reason to assume that this is going to
change in the near future, or ever.
Failure to so much as make a valliant effort to defend the FA Cup means that
MUFC plc (read the fine print) has breached the limits of sports propriety
and is quite clearly damned to eternal hell, metaphorically speaking.
Manchester United are the most daring and determined club in the world, and
have never balked in the face of a great contest, as this would be at odds
with their staunchly never-say-die character. As such, we take the
initiative and always, regardless of the harsh conditions on or off the
pitch, fight our darnedest to win. With our traditional emphasis on a solid
youth foundation, we should not shy away from this opportunity to let the
kids rise to the challenge and show the cynics in our own camp just what we
are capable of achieving.
At the same time and more to the point, a solution needs to be found to
tackle the ever-increasing problem of fixture congestion. It is the
international football structure that needs at some point to be scrutinized
and reformed before it absorbs sufficient attention to the detriment of the
domestic structure. What the club needs to work on, and this is by no means
a small or short-term pet project, is firstly to campaign with UEFA for both
a less crowded UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup competition, as well as
hold ambitious FIFA at bay, while Keeping the Existing Footballing Structure
Intact. The Premier League and the FA Cup are ample instruments for the
demonstration of domestically proven talent in England, as are the both the
domestic league and major cup tournament in other European nations.
Secondly, the club needs to formulate an approximately definitive standard
according to which teams may qualify for European competition in the first
place. Any discriminant viewer can see that the Mighty Reds do not need to
go gallavanting around with the herd of television and commercial entities
whose entirely irrational aim is the maximization of revenue alone.
It would be appalling for the historically rich foundation and edifice of the
domestic contests, which provide the necessary colour, spectacle and moments
of sheer drama for the larger context of European or otherwise international
contests, to be swiftly eroded in the unprincipled aim of 'expanding the
brand.' Or as Pink Floyd would put it, 'How ken yoo hev eny pudding eef yoo
don't eech'yer meeet?!' There is absolutely no sense in pursuing
international glory at the expense of the domestic game. While the two tiers
of competition are evidently not co-existing in a beneficial sort of mutual
complementarity at the moment, this is the determining factor which decides
whether the football that we loyal fans are taking great expenses to follow
is in reality a reputable contest or, by sharp contrast, merely (largely)
just another vapid instrument of corporatate enterprise.
In closing, if Martin Edwards really wants to act on the long-term interest
of all concerned with the club, he'd better ignore the temporary whims of the
shareholders with whom he is so sympathetic and re-instate United in the FA
Cup. Not only is the integrity of the Cup at stake, but the merit of
Manchester United itself is seriously in question. Mr. Edwards, before the
11th hour expires, I should tell you that your boundless avarice is more than
a little misguided. Far from inheriting universal popularity, United in its
present manifestation is a world-wide turn-off among informed Reds and fans
of English and European football alike. We may lack the financial and
administrative resources to reverse your fatal decision, but be warned: we
are not deceived, the Revolution will oust you from your easy seat, we will
regain control and restore some trace of dignity to the Mighty Reds.
Red to the bitter End - Fffremont
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Ask the StatMan - WHY ARE WE LOSING SO MUCH FOUR GAMES IN FIVE GAMES
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Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999
Time: 4:44 AM EST
Submitted by: kabelo setsiba
Email address: kabset@chatswana.com
Ask the StatMan
visitor_country: BOTSWANA
visitor_age: 22
question: WHY ARE WE LOSING SO MUCH FOUR GAMES IN FIVE GAMES IS JUST TOO MUCH. IS IT THE INJURIES OR THE OPPONENT ARE JUST TOO GOOD FOR US.
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Hello Kabelo. This is purely my opinion, we currently lack understanding in the defence, replacing
Schmeichel was always going to be difficult. Also we have players who are carrying injury, the squad
is also depleted by other injuries so the manager has less choice than he would like. The new signings
need time to settle in and adapt to the demands of the Premiership. Plus, I feel we had a little bit of
luck going our way last season, now we are seeing the other side.
All Reds must remember that we don't have a divine right to win every game, and I am sure that
results will improve as the very long season unfolds. Please be patient!
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Andy Cole Unlimited - PLEASE READ!
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Will never die, will never die,
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'Coz Man United will never die.
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Scholes' star-struck fan
Starstruck David Beckham fan swooned as she watched her hero in training
yesterday - after being hit on the head by a wayward shot from Manchester
United team-mate Paul Scholes.
Ivona Dragicevic, nine, was poleaxed during the practice session before
last night's Champions League clash away to Croatia Zagreb. She soon
regained consciousness and was presented with Beckham's shirt and a hug
from her hero.
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UNITED 9-2 FOR CHAMPIONS' LEAGUE
Manchester United were eased in a touch from 5-1 to 9-2 for the Champions'
League after qualifying for the knockout stages with their 2-1 victory over
Croatia Zagreb.
Before the action got under way on Wednesday, United knew that victory
would guarantee them their place in the second phase of the competition.
David Beckham delighted the travelling fans with another of his party
tricks in the 33rd minute. His scintillating free-kick gave Croatian
goalkeeper Tomislav Butina no chance.
In the second half skipper Roy Keane's deflected shot put United 2-0 up.
Even though Zagreb made it interesting in the dying seconds of the game
with a Robert Prosinecki goal it proved to be a mere consolation.
Sir Alex Ferguson's men remain third favourites in the market.
Barcelona remain at the top of the market as 7-2 chances. The Catalan
outfit duly thrashed AIK Solna 5-0 in their encounter at the Nou Camp.
Italian outfit Fiorentina have moved up the betting after their 1-0 win
over Arsenal.
The beleagured Italians won the match courtesy of a Gabriel Batistuta
piledriver which sent Arsene Wenger's team crashing out of Europe's premier
competition at the first hurdle for another year.
William Hill had the Italians at 50-1 but Ladbrokes have inserted them at
16-1 after the Wembley result.
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