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This Issue:
1. Commercialism and pies? Personal reserves report by The Old Fart
2. Standing in the seats and standing in general - by Pete
3. MEN  - United's inspirational skipper Roy Keane
4. TRIO MISS TOKYO TRIP
5. United Online Auctions for UNICEF
6. Press Release MANCHESTER UNITED VS PALMEIRAS ON MUTV
7. United facing Yorke loss
8. WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP NEWS  Cole left behind
9. WHY DWIGHT WANTS TO BE LIKE WILLIE
10. FORTUNE FAVOURS THE REDS - Bradford City Res. 1, United Res. 3
11. United's greed could drive off Fergie

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Manchester United FC Champions League Squad List
 1 Mark John Bosnich      2 Gary Alexander Neville 3 Dennis Joseph Irwin
 4 David May              6 Jakob Stam             7 David Robert J Beckham
 8 Nicholas Butt          9 Andrew Alex. Cole      10 Edward Sheringham
11 Ryan Joseph Giggs     12 Philip Neville         14 Johan Jordi Cruyff
15 Lars Jesper Blomqvist 16 Roy Keane           17 Raimond RJH Van der Gouw
18 Paul Scholes          19 Dwight Yorke           20 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
21 Henning Berg          23 Michael Jamie Clegg    25 Josť Quinton Fortune
26 Massimo Taibi         31 Nicholas James Culkin  33 Mark Antony Wilson
34 Jonathan Greening

1999/2000 UEFA Champions League Second Group-Match Stage - Group B 
Group B           P W D L  F A  Pts 
Valencia CF       1 1 0 0  3 0  3 
Fiorentina AC     1 1 0 0  2 0  3 
Manchester United 1 0 0 1  0 2  0 
Bordeaux          1 0 0 1  0 3  0 

Second stage Euro Draw  GROUP B
Manchester United Valencia Bordeaux Fiorentina
Tues Nov 23 Fiorentina v Manchester United  2-0 
            Valencia v Girondins Bordeaux   3-0

Wed Dec 8 
Group B: Girondins Bordeaux v Fiorentina 
Group B: Manchester United v Valencia 
Wed Mar 1 
Group B: Manchester United v Girondins Bordeaux 
Group B: Fiorentina v Valencia 
Tues Mar 7  
Group B: Girondins Bordeaux v Manchester United 
Group B: Valencia v Fiorentina 
Wed Mar 15 
Group B: Manchester United v Fiorentina 
Group B: Girondins Bordeaux v Valencia 
Tuesday, March 21 
Group B: Fiorentina v Girondins Bordeaux 
Group B: Valencia v Manchester United 

FINAL Group D          P W D L  F A  PTS
Manchester United FC   6 4 1 1  9  4  13 
Olympique de Marseille 6 3 1 2 10  8  10 
SK Sturm Graz          6 2 0 4  5 12   6 
NK Croatia Zagreb      6 1 2 3  7  7   5 

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*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 20/11/99 ***
             Arsenal   5-1   Middlesbrough         38,082
        Derby County   1-2   Manchester United     33,370
             Everton   1-1   Chelsea               38,225
        Leeds United   2-1   Bradford City         39,937
      Leicester City   2-1   Wimbledon             18,255
         Southampton   0-1   Tottenham Hotspur     15,248
          Sunderland   0-2   Liverpool             42,015
             Watford   1-1   Newcastle United      19,539

*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 21/11/99 ***
     West Ham United   4-3   Sheffield Wednesday   23,015
*** RESULTS AND ATTENDANCES ON 22/11/99 ***
       Coventry City   2-1   Aston Villa           20,184

*** CONDENSED LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 22/11/99 ***

Pos Team                  P   W   D   L   F   A   GD  Pts
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 1  Manchester United    15  10   3   2  35  20   15   33
 2  Leeds United         15  10   2   3  28  19    9   32
 3  Arsenal              15   9   2   4  26  15   11   29
 4  Sunderland           15   8   4   3  24  14   10   28
 5  Liverpool            15   8   3   4  20  12    8   27
 6  Tottenham Hotspur    14   8   2   4  24  18    6   26
 7  Leicester City       15   8   2   5  25  20    5   26
 8  Middlesbrough        15   7   1   7  20  23   -3   22
 9  Chelsea              13   6   3   4  19  11    8   21
10  West Ham United      14   6   3   5  16  14    2   21
11  Coventry City        15   5   5   5  23  17    6   20
12  Everton              15   5   5   5  24  22    2   20
13  Aston Villa          15   5   3   7  14  18   -4   18
14  Southampton          14   4   4   6  20  24   -4   16
15  Wimbledon            15   3   7   5  22  29   -7   16
16  Newcastle United     15   3   4   8  25  29   -4   13
17  Bradford City        14   3   3   8  12  23  -11   12
18  Derby County         15   3   3   9  14  26  -12   12
19  Watford              15   3   2  10  11  25  -14   11
20  Sheffield Wednesday  15   1   3  11  13  36  -23    6


*** FIXTURES ON 27/11/99 ***
       Coventry City  v  Leicester City
             Everton  v  Aston Villa
       Middlesbrough  v  Wimbledon
             Watford  v  Sunderland
     West Ham United  v  Liverpool

*** FIXTURES ON 28/11/99 ***
             Arsenal  v  Derby County
             Chelsea  v  Bradford City
        Leeds United  v  Southampton
    Newcastle United  v  Tottenham Hotspur


*** TEAM STATISTICS - MANCHESTER UNITED - AS AT 20/11/99 ***

AVERAGE HOME ATTENDANCE: 55,168
HIGHEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 25/09/99 - Southampton (55,249)
LOWEST HOME ATTENDANCE:  11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (54,941)
BEST WIN:     11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (4-0)
              30/08/99 - Newcastle United (5-1)
HEAVIEST DEFEAT:         03/10/99 - Chelsea (0-5)
BEST HOME WIN:           11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (4-0)
                         30/08/99 - Newcastle United (5-1)
BEST AWAY WIN:           22/08/99 - Arsenal (2-1)
                         25/08/99 - Coventry City (2-1)
                         11/09/99 - Liverpool (3-2)
                         20/11/99 - Derby County (2-1)
HEAVIEST AWAY DEFEAT:    03/10/99 - Chelsea (0-5)

 NEXT MATCHES
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30-NOV-1999 [10:00] Manchester Utd. vs Palmeiras   (Inter Continental Cup, AWAY)
04-DEC-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Everton     (FA Premier League, HOME)
08-DEC-1999 [19:45] Manchester Utd. vs Valencia    (UEFA Champions League, HOME)
18-DEC-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs West Ham    (FA Premier League, AWAY)
26-DEC-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Bradford C  (FA Premier League, HOME)

Current Injuries
 Jesper Blomqvist        ankle           Dec 4 
 Ronny Johnsen           knee            January
 Wes Brown               knee            August


*** TEAM RESULTS - MANCHESTER UNITED - 

UNITED Stats v All teams:
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ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix992000.htm
 
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000
All dates/times subject to change
Dates of possible cup ties also shown

Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
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15/07/99    Melbourne Australia   pre-season  W  2-0     -    60,000
18/07/99    Sydney    Australia   pre-season  W  1-0     -    78,000
21/07/99    Shanghai  Shenhua     pre-season  W  2-0     -    80,000
24/07/99    Hong Kong South China pre-season  W  2-0     -    40,000

 1/08/99    Arsenal   Wembley Charity Shield  L  1-2     -    70,185
 3/08/99    Omagh Town Omagh Bomb Fund        W  9-0     -     7,000
 4/08/99    Wigan Athletic friendly           W  2-0     -    15,000 
08/08/99    Everton                  Away PL  D  1-1    10    39,141
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      Home PL  W  4-0     3    54,941
14/08/99    Leeds United             Home PL  W  2-0     1    55,187
22/08/99    Arsenal                  Away PL  W  2-1     1    38,147
25/08/99    Coventry City            Away PL  W  2-1     1    22,024 
27/08/99    Monaco - Lazio               ESC  L  0-1     -    15,223
30/08/99    Newcastle United         Home     W  5-1     1    55,190
11/09/99    Liverpool                Away     W  3-2     1    44,929
14/09/99    Croatia Zagreb           Home EC  D  0-0     -    53,250
18/09/99    Wimbledon                Home     D  1-1     1    55,189
22/09/99    Sturm Graz               Away EC  W  3-0     -    16,480
25/09/99    Southampton              Home     D  3-3     1    55,249
29/09/99    Marseille                Home EC  W  2-1     -    54,276
 3/10/99    Chelsea                  Away PL  L  0-5     2    34,909
11/10/99    Sir Alex Testimonial     Home F   L  2-4  LEGENDS 54,842      
13/10/99    Aston Villa              Away WC3 L  0-3     -    33,815
16/10/99    Watford                  Home PL  W  4-1     2    55,188
19/10/99    Marseille                Away EC  L  0-1     -    57,745 
23/10/99    Tottenham Hotspur        Away     L  1-3     3    36,072
27/10/99    Croatia Zagreb           Away EC  W  2-1     -    30,000
30/10/99    Aston Villa              Home PL  W  3-0     2    55,211
 2/11/99    Sturm Graz               Home EC  W  2-1     -    53,745 
 6/11/99    Leicester City           Home PL  W  2-0     1    55,191
20/11/99    Derby County             Away     W  2-1     1    33,370
23/11/99    AC Fiorentina            Away EC  L  0-2     -    ?  

pp 27/11/99 ? Sheffield Wednesday  Away PL *No new date yet

30/11/99    Tokyo  Palmeiras         WCC       20.00
 4/12/99    Everton                  Home PL   15.00
 8/12/99    Valencia CF              Home EC   19.45
18/12/99    West Ham United          Away PL   15.00
26/12/99    Bradford City            Home PL   15.00
28/12/99    Sunderland               Away PL   20.00  "live on sky"
 3/01/2000  Middlesborough           Home PL   20.00
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 JAN 05-14  Brazil WTC [3-4 games]
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06/01/2000  Necaxa (Mexico)          Neut WTC  16.00
08/01/2000  Vasco da Gama (Brazil)   Away WTC  16.00
11/01/2000  South Melbourne (Australia) N WTC  16.00
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22/01/2000  Arsenal                  Home PL   15.00
 5/02/2000  Coventry City            Home PL   15.00
12/02/2000  Newcastle United         Away PL   15.00
26/02/2000  Wimbledon                Away PL   15.00
 1/03/2000  FC Girondins de Bordeaux Home EC   19.45 
 4/03/2000  Liverpool                Home PL   15.00
 7/03/2000  FC Girondins de Bordeaux Away EC   19.45 
11/03/2000  Derby County             Home PL   15.00
15/03/2000  AC Fiorentina            Home EC   19.45
18/03/2000  Leicester City           Away PL   15.00
21/03/2000  Valencia CF              Away EC   19.45 
25/03/2000  Bradford City            Away PL   15.00
 1/04/2000  West Ham United          Home PL   15.00
 5/04/2000  ?   EC qf i
 8/04/2000  Middlesborough           Away PL   15.00
15/04/2000  Sunderland               Home PL   15.00
19/04/2000  ?   EC qf ii
22/04/2000  Southampton              Away PL   15.00
24/04/2000  Chelsea                  Home PL   15.00
29/04/2000  West Ham United          Away PL   15.00
 3/05/2000  ?   EC sf i
 6/05/2000  Tottenham Hotspur        Home PL   15.00
10/05/2000  ?   EC sf ii
14/05/2000  Aston Villa              Away PL   15.00
24/05/2000  ?   EC Final

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Commercialism and pies Personal reserves report by The Old Fart As I had lived in Bradford (in Idle, which is a place and not a descriptor!) for a couple of years I went prepared for arctic conditions last night; as it happens the weather was quite nice - fresh but not at all unpleasant. I had been in Leeds in the afternoon so I was at Valley Parade (now called the Bradford and Bingley Stadium by the way - but only Manchester United have sold their souls to the god of mammon!) fairly early, and by half past six I was very glad for that. Their website had said that they expected a large crowd (according to the supporters I talked to the prices were 'hiked up' by the way) but that they had decided not to open other than the main stand - that decision caused at least a thousand people to miss the kick-off! The crowd was in excess of six thousand and they announced it over both the tannoy and scoreboard, as it was, by many a mile, the record crowd for their reserve team. ("You only come to see United"!!!!!!) Being that I was early I had the opportunity to look around their 'megastore'. In there you can buy virtually everything from a pin to an elephant, all with the Bantam logo on it. Of course only Manchester United have taken marketing to the extreme - haven't they? It did occur to me that you would have to be very sad, would really need to get out more, if you wanted a musical toilet-roll holder with a Bradford City badge on it! I was very disappointed to discover that me little favourite, Wellens, was not playing and I hope that that was not a sign that his days are coming to an end. The team was mostly the kids and in some respects I felt optimistic as this is a group of lads who have come through the ranks together and tend to play better without first-teamer 'interruption'. Their team did include a couple of first teamers and the crowd were fairly critical of them on a number of occasions. It was a lively game, played 'end-to-end'. It was obvious that our main threat was coming down the right flank where Chadwick was giving their lad a torrid time. In the fifth minute Wilson should have done far better after wonderful work by Chadwick, but he shot badly wide. Then in the sixteenth minute Stewart won the ball in the right-half position, hit a beautiful ball down the flank which Chadwick ran on to. He beat his man, cut inside, beat another man and then laid a square ball for Healy to run on to and slot home with a very calm and controlled shot. One-nil to the Lancy boys. We now started to press with that little bit of confidence that a goal brings. Fortune was tending to drift inside, 'looking for' the ball. He looks a prospect but must learn to stick to the plan. Having said that he had a good game. After twenty, when Fortune had drifted inside, Higginbotham and Wilson worked well together down the left and Healy should have notched his second from the resulting square ball; he shot wide - poor effort. In defence Wallwork was having a cracker, though in the thirty-six minute he made a terrible error (trod on the ball) and their lad was away. Wallwork (who is a fairly well built lad - er fat? - no!) did remarkably well to get back and recover his own error with a quite excellent 'goal saving' tackle. Not long before the end of the half we pressed and there was a bit of a scramble in their area. The ball ran to Notman, who was falling and had his back to the goal. Somehow he managed to flick the ball through and Fortune showed bravery when he went in on their advancing goalie and flicked the ball into the corner of the net. Two-nil and half-time. The score reflected the game as we had been the team most likely to score. They had done well in midfield and had two quite excellent front men (who did not get the support that their front running deserved), but had not really threatened Massimo. I had bought both a Bovril and a pie before I took my seat but both were red hot. As I had managed to burn the roof of my mouth (still sore this morning!) on a pie at Derby last Saturday I decided to leave the pie until half-time - but drank the Bovril, when it had stopped bubbling! The pie was very good and the lad next to me kept giving me envious glances; I didn't offer him a bite as I didn't know him and he was a Yorkshireman - simple as that! One thing I did notice was that the bag which the pie came in had an advertisement on it - and they say only Manchester United have taken the commercial 'shilling'. They came out with obvious resolve, plainly having had a tongue-lashing at half-time. After six minutes it was a great save from Taibi which prevented them from scoring. Then not long after that save, Wilson won the ball in midfield, left-half. He made a brilliant, surging run and then played a wonderful through ball (taking out three defenders) which Notman was alert to. He took the ball, two touches, then slotted the ball into the bottom right corner for an excellent finish. Three-nil, game over. From about the twentieth minute of the restart I noticed Chadwick coming over towards the dugout with a 'sad little puppy' expression. I had not noticed him get a knock but he looked desperate to come off. After a further ten minutes of 'visual pleading' they took him off and brought a young lad called Webber on in his place. I was disappointed with Chadwick's reaction and hope that he was genuinely injured and is not a mard-arse. That was the distinct impression I got last night. A couple of minutes later Stewart came off to be replaced by little Ryan Ford. Now Stewart did deserve the breather as he had worked incredibly hard in midfield and battled well. The game was now petering out and we were controlling things really. Healy, as always, was running his socks off and providing opportunities for a number of others (Webber missed an easy chance after a brilliant fifty-yarder from Healy). They scored in the forty-third minute, a good goal, well worked. It gave their supporters something to cheer and they did deserve that. Then right at the death Wilson forced a tremendous save from their goalie and from the resulting corner Notman's goal-bound shot was deflected off a Bradford arse!! The final whistle then and a really good and deserved win. I was delighted. I would have been home fairly quickly (I went the top road from Blackburn) had I not got lost in bloody Keighley. Sodding Yorkies are too tight to put up adequate road signs and I went quite a few miles out of me way! The team was: Taibi: had little to do. Made two excellent saves second half and handled well throughout. On one occasion I distinctly heard him shout "goalie's ball" and although that sounds silly it is very important to understand that the lad is now coming along with the language. Clegg: usual performance - I'll leave it to your imagination Higginbotham: did well. Offered width left on the occasions when Fortune went walkabout. Linked well with Wilson. Roche: a quiet but solid performance. This lad is not that big but he gets up well in the air, has reasonable pace and can tackle. Looks alright. Wallwork: my m-o-t-m. He had a stormer. For all of the second half their fans booed him as he had absolutely hammered one of their forwards with a strong, but fair, challenge. He really held it all together last night and I was dead impressed. Chadwick: looked a real threat first half. Had the beating of his man every time and used the ball better than in the past (perhaps it has dawned on him that he will be more effective if he looks up occasionally!). I was disappointed by his whinging not long after the restart. To make the grade you have to have a little bit of bottle as well as skill. That did not impress me at all. Wilson: had a really good game. Was the ball-winner in midfield and did win most things. He was instrumental in most of our attacks and defended well when called upon. Excellent performance. Notman: the crowd around me were very impressed with the lad's running. He was lively throughout the whole of the match and did so deserve his goal. Healy: once again an excellent contribution. He works well with Notman and they look a formidable pairing at this level. He took his goal well and might have had a couple of others given a little bit of luck. Never stopped working for the ninety. Smashing. Fortune: tended to drift a little bit. Did well though and I'm not being too critical. I get the feeling that the lad is desperate to impress and as a consequence he tends to go looking for the ball, rather than sticking to the game plan and staying in position. Webber/Ford: came on as subs and did o.k. Keep the faith, 'THE OLD FART' P.S. 'Lancy' - Lancashire. God's chosen county. Home to the greatest people in the world (scousers excepted), greatest city in the World (the Centre of the Universe no less) and the greatest football club in the world (and I don't mean Manchester City!). Copyright © 1999 www.red11.org, 'THE OLD FART'. All rights reserved. Not to be reproduced without permission of the author.
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Standing in the seats and standing in general - by Pete Paul, wrote (of the accident at Derby):>>> The collapsing seat affair happened on the steps next to where we were sat. There were two surge's, the first one was not that bad, everyone got back up and then about 30 seconds later I looked around and everyone from about half way up the steps went flying, how more people did not get hurt I'll never know. Collapsing seat or someone pushing for a laugh ??? <<< Mike responded:>>> I was actually caught up in the second surge and suddenly found myself flying head first down the gangway and against the seats on the right hand side. It was very frightening since I had no control at all over where I was going or what I was going to hit. Fortunately I only suffered heavy bruising to my right leg and a small gash on my right shin, but it could easily have been worse. <<< ============================================================================= In October 1997 I wrote the following response on the List: Gary, wrote:>>> I'm curious why it might be more dangerous for people to stand in the seating areas than terraces. I'm not saying that it IS more dangerous, but I haven't heard the reasons why some say it would be safer to have terraces than just being able to stand at their seats. Anyone have some thoughts on that? <<< I think back to the home match against Sheffield Wednesday the year we won the League. When Brucie scored the winner the crowd just went absolutely mad. People were going over the top of seats and could have hurt themselves very badly. The thing is that seats tend to 'trap' you at thigh level and you find you have nowhere to go except down, head-first. This is very frightening and potentially very dangerous. I am surprised that there have not been more serious incidents. and............ METAL crush barriers have collapsed in the past (Bolton, Hillsborough etc) and the seat-backs are only made of plastic. If a big enough push came from the back of the top tier and just a couple of seat-backs snapped then the outcome would almost certainly be carnage. The people in the front rows could go over the top and fall onto the rows in the second tier. This really is an unthinkable situation. But it could happen. ============================================================================ In a series of articles in '97, and in several since, I have expressed my belief that there SHOULD be a return to limited standing areas. HOWEVER I am convinced that these areas should be where the original paddocks were (ie the United Road and at the Scoreboard End). I actually wrote the following in one article which (hopefully) supported my (the) argument for a return of limited standing areas......... >>> Plainly what they would have to do is make the bottom tier, the 'paddocks' at both the Scoreboard End and United Road, a standing area. I had a good look on Saturday and it was obvious to me that those stood in the Scoreboard were NOT obstructing the sitters in the first tier. If they made the top two steps of the paddock into a flat passageway then that would serve to reduce the level by about seven or eight inches anyway. For those of you old enough to remember standing areas at Wembley you will know that when you went up and out into the stadium you found that you were in a small standing 'enclosure' which was about twenty yards square. If United erected fences running from the rear passageway down to the fence at the pitch then we could have a similar situation, that is (say at the Scoreboard) five or six small enclosures of about fifteen square yards each. These 'enclosures' could be controlled quite easily by a couple of stewards, and access to each 'enclosure' would be from the rear passageway. <<< Like a lot of other people I welcomed the announcement at the recent AGM that people in the Scoreboard End were going to be offered a transfer to the (upper) Stretford End, thus creating a 'singing section'. HOWEVER this also raised alarm bells with me as I immediately thought back to my worry over standing in seating, particularly in the upper areas of the stands. I stood (as a number of you know) on the 'right side' of the Stretford End for a number of years. There is no doubt that 'sways' were caused either because people at the back were pushing as they could not see properly, or because IDIOTS thought it funny to start a sway. Idiots (particularly drunken idiots) NEVER consider the consequence of their actions (invariably, in my experience, they are the one who 'escape' involvement) and thus it would not surprise me in the slightest to be told that video evidence from Derby shows somebody deliberately starting that sway. If this had occurred in an upper area there could have been very serious consequences. The know-nowts who constructed the Taylor Report decided that all-seater stadia would prevent a reoccurrence of another Hillsborough-like tragedy. They were, and are, WRONG. It is actually my belief that seating would have made that disaster (and future potential disasters) FAR WORSE as the pressure would have simply broken seat backs and snapped people in half. The old crush barriers (flawed as they were) we far more effective at transferring the sway into a sideways (and thus less harmful) direction, than seats would or could. Those of us with more than five minutes experience of crowds and crowd 'behaviour' (which plainly excludes all those on the Taylor committee) would have stated that it was entrance tunnels which needed to be reviewed and NOT standing versus seating. Latecomers (particularly drunken latecomers) could still 'burst out' of an entrance tunnel and create a downward sway which would NOT be restrained by seats. If this were to happen in the upper area of any of the larger grounds the result would be, potentially, far worse than that at Hillsborough. At Old Trafford standing is not allowed (and is severely dealt with by the SPS thugs). The exception, however, to this rule is 'during moments of extreme excitement' (ie when a goal is scored). If one of these idiots decided to start a sway from the back of the upper tier at the moment immediately following a goal (ie when virtually everybody was standing) NOTHING would prevent the 'domino effect' sway which would cause a disaster on an unprecedented scale. I wonder if any of the 'bright sparks' (hah!) on the Taylor committee stopped, for even one millisecond, to consider this potential disaster situation, caused by enforced seating in stadia? I leave you to decide if the total know-nowts did or not. I just wish somebody at Old Trafford (and the FA) would listen to people with experience of crowd 'behaviour' (like myself and lots of other people) and discuss how best to accommodate those (probably) younger people who wish to stand at football matches. I'm sure, though, that it will not happen. Keep the faith, Pete Copyright © 1999 Peter Hargreaves. All rights reserved. Not to be reproduced without permission of the author.
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MEN - United's inspirational skipper Roy Keane Skipper hints he wants to stay BY STUART MATHIESON MANCHESTER United set out on the trek to Japan today buoyed by the news that captain Roy Keane's contract saga has taken a positive new twist. As revealed in later editions of yesterday's M.E.N. Sport, the inspirational leader has given the strongest hint yet that his future lies at Old Trafford. With new talks between Keane's adviser and solicitor Michael Kennedy and United set for next week while the European champions are contesting the Inter Continental Cup in the Far East with Palmeiras, there is a new mood of optimism at Old Trafford. It's that the drawn out question is poised to be concluded positively in the Reds' favour. Keane, 28, won't be selling himself short and his new deal could be worth up to £50,000 a week over four years. He could have earned more abroad but is settled in Manchester, is proud to be captain and has been heartened by the lengths boss Sir Alex Ferguson has gone to keep him.
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TRIO MISS TOKYO TRIP Friday, November 26, 1999 09:24 Andy Cole was the biggest name absent from United's flight to Tokyo on Friday morning. Along with Cole, who has picked up a back injury, Henning Berg, Jordi Cruyff and Raimond van der Gouw were nowhere to be seen at Manchester Airport in the early hours. Those four apart, it is a full-strength United squad that will take on Brazil's Palmeiras on Tuesday. Quinton Fortune, who scored for the Reserves on Thursday night, is included, along with Ronnie Wallwork and Danny Higginbotham, whose United careers are coming on apace. Travelling party: Bosnich, Taibi; Stam, Irwin, G Neville, P Neville, Higginbotham, Wallwork; Scholes, Butt, Beckham, Keane, Fortune; Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer.
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Press Release MANCHESTER UNITED VS PALMEIRAS ON MUTV MUTV will broadcast full match coverage of the Intercontinental Cup between Manchester United and Palmeiras at 7.30pm on Tuesday 30 November 1999. The Champions of Europe face Brazil's South American Cup winners Palmeiras from Tokyo in a match that will decide who is the world club champion. MUTV's Steve Bower will broadcast detailed pre and post-match analysis with a series of special reports from Japan and back in the Old Trafford studios, United heroes Sammy McIIroy and Paul Parker will cast their expert opinion over the match. MUTV's Managing Director, Peter Brookes said, "Manchester United fans are now getting used to seeing first team football on MUTV, this broadcast, follows on from our exclusive coverage of the team's pre-season tour to Australia and the Far East, the Super Cup and Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial match. We're going to make sure it continues. " MUTV is the world's first daily football club channel providing viewers with everything they need to know about the treble holders. With exclusive access to the big name players and the people behind the scenes, MUTV brings all the big news stories and interviews from the Theatre of Dreams. The channel also revisits United's glorious past with classic Premiership matches, great games from yesteryear and interviews with former stars as well as looking to the future with coverage of Reserve and Youth team games, and for younger viewers coaching and training tips from the players. MUTV is a joint venture between Manchester United PLC, British Sky Broadcasting and Granada Media Group and is available on the Sky digital and Cable and Wireless Digital. For further information call 0870 848 6888. INTERCONTINENTAL CUP Tuesday 30th November, Tokyo Manchester United v Palmeiras Full match coverage on MUTV from 7.30pm For further information contact: Serge Cowan on 0171 705 3332 Friday 26 November 1999 www.manutd.com/mutv http://www.red11.org/mutv
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United facing Yorke loss Manchester United face losing goal-scoring star Dwight Yorke for at least two matches in the New Year. Yorke is expected to be selected for the Trinidad and Tobago squad for the CONCACAF Gold Cup which takes place in February. Should he go he will definitely miss the Premiership encounters with Newcastle and Wimbledon but could be ruled out for the whole month according to FIFA regulations. The CONCACAF Gold Cup is the South American equivalent of the European Championships and a FIFA spokesman said: "The Gold Cup is regarded as a prestige tournament and the regulations for the release of players are the same as for those for the World Cup and European Championships." It is believed United are trying to find a way around the rules, but secretary Ken Merrett appears resigned to losing Yorke. He said: "By the sound of it, there is very little that we can do."
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WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP NEWS Cole left behind COLE LEFT BEHIND AS UTD FLY OUT The packed Manchester United fixture schedule has taken it's toll on United's top scorer Andy Cole this season, and he has been given a well-earned rest by manager Sir Alex Ferguson, meaning that he is the biggest name not on the club's Friday morning flight to Japan for Tuesday's World Club Championship, live on Tuesday from 10.00 on Sky Sports 1. Cole has been feeling a hamstring since before the England against Scotland double-header earlier this month, so Ferguson will play either Ole Gunnar Solksjaer or Teddy Sheringham, the club's two late European cup heroes, alongside Dwight Yorke for the Palmeiras showdown, to be shown Henning Berg, Jordi Cruyff, David May and Raimond van der Gouw were also left behind, but there were places in board for South African Quinton Fortune, and this season's breakthrough pair of duo Ronnie Wallwork and Danny Higginbotham. Squad: Bosnich, Taibi; Stam, Irwin, G Neville, P Neville, Higginbotham, Wallwork; Scholes, Butt, Beckham, Keane, Fortune; Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer.
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WHY DWIGHT WANTS TO BE LIKE WILLIE By Dean Gripton Manchester United striker Dwight Yorke believes his team's World Club Cup game against Palmeiras on Tuesday is just the job to restore their battered confidence. The Trinidadian forward sees it as just the type of game that United need to regain some pride lost following European defeat by Fiorentina in the Champions League second group phase on Tuesday - the worst defeat they had received in five years in Europe. Of the Tokyo game, Yorke said: "It's a big game for us and despite the disappointment of Tuesday we are very confident going into this game and it's one we want to win. "We didn't do ourselves justice in Fiorentina and we are looking to this game to get our confidence back before playing our next match in the Champions League." Dwight Yorke will be looking to emulate the feats of one of the Manchester United cult heroes of the past, Willie Morgan, but more of that later... United manager Sir Alex Ferguson wants to extend his managerial feats by becoming become the first manager of an English club to lift the World Club Cup. Sir Matt Busby failed to achive that feat when Estudiantes violently kicked their way to victory in a bad-tempered two-legged affair in 1968. Nottingham Forest, Liverpool and Aston Villa all lost out in successive years in the early 1980s before Liverpool became the last British side to complete in the championship when losing to Independiente in 1984. Ferguson prefers the new format of one match in neutral Japan to the old style two-legged tie. He said: "I think it's better playing it this way because of the amount of fixtures nowadays. I would rather do this than travel to South America, which would be an ordeal in itself." Only one of those five English finalists have even scored in this annual contest, played between the winners of the European Cup and the South American equivalent, the Copa Libertadores. That was scored by Willie Morgan in the Old Trafford leg as a 1-1 draw was not enough to recover a 0-1 first leg reversal in Argentina. The two games saw controversy alpenty. Nobby Stiles was sent off for dissent in Argentina, and George Best for fighting in the home leg. At least United, even with their packed fixtures schedule, agreed to take part. For Liverpool in 1977 and also Brian Clough's Nottingham Forest in 1979, the last time it was decided over two games, declined to accept the invitation.
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FORTUNE FAVOURS THE REDS - Bradford City Res. 1, United Res. 3 Friday, November 26, 1999 09:12 Bradford City Res. 1, United Res. 3 Luke Chadwick and Quinton Fortune led Bradford City's defence a merry dance at Valley Parade last night as United turned on a stylish performance to win their second away match of the season. It was an assured display from the Reds who controlled the game for long spells against a lively and resolute City side. Lesser teams would have 'thrown in the towel' against a United side which stroked the ball about with such confidence that nothing short of a comfortable win looked to be the most likely outcome from the start. United Reserves haven't really hit the heights this season but all that changed last night. Chadwick was the main architect of the first goal, which arrived in the 17th minute. Alex Notman sent Chadwick away down the right with a well measured pass. The flying winger had already tested the Bradford defence with a couple of his jinking runs, so the home side knew what to expect. The England Under-21 star raced down the wing before cutting in and laying the ball beautifully at the feet of David Healy, who cracked home his shot without a minute's hesitation. It was a wonderfully worked goal, but not really a total surprise considering that the Reds had already posted warnings of their intent. United increased their lead in the 42nd minute and it was another cracker with Fortune taking a wall pass off Healy before squeezing his shot between keeper Danny Taylor and the post. Bradford should have reduced the arrears in the opening moments of the second half but Gareth Grant couldn't make the most of two good opportunities. Bradford's slim hopes of salvaging anything from the game disappeared in the 53rd minute when Notman latched on to a Mark Wilson pass before despatching his shot past the diving keeper. The home side did get a measure of consolation in the 88th minute when Grant finally got the better of Massimo Taibi. The attendance of 6,214 was the highest ever for Bradford City reserve game. United: Taibi, Clegg, Higginbotham, Roche, Wallwork, Stewart (sub: Ford), Chadwick (sub: Webber), Wilson, Healy, Notman, Fortune. Subs not used: Twiss, Culkin, Rose S.
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United's greed could drive off Fergie Press Assoc Next week Manchester United set out to rule the world. Having been officially declared the globe's richest club, they can further enhance their stock by clinching the Intercontinental Cup when they take on Brazil's Palmeiras in Japan on Tuesday. No matter how plastic the one-off meeting between the champions of Europe and South America is, the trip to Tokyo will be well worth it commercially, especially if they win. As will United's sojourn to Brazil in January for the inaugural World Club Championship. Just think of all the new souvenirs. Win both and they will have to open a new megastore - in Beijing. But come the end of the season they might just have to clear a few shelves too - the ones containing anything to do with Sir Alex Ferguson. Why? Well, whatever the outcome of this season it wouldn't surprise me if Sir Alex decides to walk away from Old Trafford. Not retirement you understand, even if Ferguson will be one year off 60. But the prospect for an increasingly smug United board is that Ferguson will get fed up with their avarice and choose to take his considerable talents elsewhere unless they change tact. Before the emphatic 2-0 defeat in Florence this week, Fiorentina manager Giovanni Trapattoni suggested it would not be long before United lost their best players to top Italian clubs. His motives might have been to unsettle United, but he's got a point. Roy Keane, out of contract in the summer, can talk to foreign clubs from January. He knows he can treble his wages abroad, but would still stay at United if they paid something akin to the going rate. Ferguson recognises Keane as his team's talisman and is desperate for him to stay. But his recommendations haven't cut any ice with the boardroom bean counters as yet. They will have their chance next week when Keane's representative meets them, but if he can't be persuaded to sign how long before others like Ryan Giggs and David Beckham follow the same path. Unless there is an urgent reappraisal of how the club actually make its profits - success on the pitch - then there is every chance one of the best football teams this century will break up. Already the signs are there. Failure to back Ferguson's judgment and sign a world class player like Gabriel Batistuta, Zinedine Zidane or Rivaldo to build on last season threatens United's supremacy, certainly in Europe. Why should Ferguson tolerate that? He, after all, is the man whose managerial acumen has put millions in the directors' pockets. Not the consultants who come to "streamline the business in order to maximise resources", or whatever the jargon they use for making cuts to boost short-term profits. That is not to suggest United are a team in decline on the back of one bad performance. But even Ferguson has acknowledged they are fast approaching a crossroads. On his return from Italy he said: "There has to be some soul searching, there are one or two individuals of whom you have to ask: 'Is the hunger the same?' The ones who do have the hunger have absolutely no problem here. The ones who have a slight difference in hunger, decisions will be taken about them." Ferguson, of course, was questioning the desire of some of his players, but he might just as easily have been talking about some of the shareholders who are living very nicely off the fat of the land he has so expertly cultivated. True, last summer United eventually agreed to reward Ferguson with a three-year contract of up to £7million to restore his status as the highest paid manager in English football. But Ferguson, who has cashed in this year with his testimonial and autobiography, knows he could easily match that on the Continent. Ferguson has a strong sense of loyalty and wouldn't tout himself about. But even after 13 years his sentiment towards the club must have been stretched when chairman Martin Edwards said that when his current contract expires United will look for a new man and won't reward Ferguson with a seat on the board. The club have suggested that when the time comes they will seek a top foreign choice, someone like Barcelona's Louis van Gaal. If they did go down that route they would be in for a rude awakening. Coaches from Europe's big clubs become accustomed to getting or keeping who they want, not working within relatively penny-pinching parameters as Ferguson must. Four years ago when Inter Milan signed Paul Ince they initially tried to lure Eric Cantona and Ferguson as a package. Ferguson plus Keane, Beckham or Giggs might well attract a club like them again, or indeed a Real Madrid jealous that United have stolen their mantle as the world's most glamourous and wealthy club. There's a vacancy there too. In his analysis of United's unimpressive showing against Fiorentina, Ferguson added: "The club is like a bus - we won't wait for anyone who is late. I have always made that point to the players." It's a point he might well be making to the board by the end of the season too. And if Ferguson feels the basic aspiration of maintaining the team's standing and his own reputation is being undermined by being asked to continue driving a double-decker on half a tank then don't be shocked if Sir Alex's conclusion is to alight and arise elsewhere. ++++++=========+++++++========+++++++++========++++++++

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