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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Wed Aug 18 GMT+00:00 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Huge Johnsen blow for Fergie + Bosnich latest«« 
2. The Truth about Roy Keane and Martin Edwards would be nice
3. Ferguson closes in on Bogarde
4. Keano by Terry


Daily MANCHESTER UNITED NEWS Wed 18th August 1999:

Barry Daily Comment:
Everyone seems to be agreed Raimond is the best goalkeeper at OT.
He makes you feel safe at the back just like BIG Pete. I for
one hope he gets a run in goal this season!
Jordi seems to be on the move more soon on that.


99/2000 fixtures/match reports are at

Mark Bosnich's Personal Details 



Previous News:
 BSKYB Takeover news/pics at http://www.red11.org/mufc/bskyb.htm
  Brian Kidd Press conference, pic, real audio
 Peter Schmeichel's last Season at United!

*** FIXTURES ON 21/08/99 ***
             Chelsea  v  Aston Villa
       Coventry City  v  Derby County
             Everton  v  Southampton
        Leeds United  v  Sunderland
       Middlesbrough  v  Liverpool
    Newcastle United  v  Wimbledon
 Sheffield Wednesday  v  Tottenham Hotspur
             Watford  v  Bradford City
     West Ham United  v  Leicester City

*** FIXTURES ON 22/08/99 ***
             Arsenal  v  Manchester United


         Southampton   4-2   Newcastle United      15,030

         Aston Villa   2-2   West Ham United       26,250


Pos Team                  P   W   D   L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Manchester United     3   2   1   0   7   1    6    7
 2  Aston Villa           3   2   1   0   6   2    4    7
 3  Arsenal               3   2   1   0   4   2    2    7
 4  Middlesbrough         3   2   0   1   6   4    2    6
 5  Tottenham Hotspur     3   2   0   1   6   4    2    6
 6  Southampton           3   2   0   1   5   5    0    6
 7  Chelsea               2   1   1   0   6   2    4    4
 8  Leeds United          3   1   1   1   3   2    1    4
 9  West Ham United       2   1   1   0   3   2    1    4
10  Bradford City         2   1   1   0   2   1    1    4
11  Wimbledon             3   1   1   1   6   6    0    4
12  Leicester City        3   1   1   1   4   4    0    4
13  Sunderland            3   1   1   1   2   4   -2    4
14  Liverpool             2   1   0   1   2   2    0    3
15  Watford               3   1   0   2   3   5   -2    3
16  Coventry City         3   0   1   2   1   3   -2    1
17  Derby County          3   0   1   2   2   5   -3    1
18  Everton               3   0   1   2   3   7   -4    1
19  Sheffield Wednesday   3   0   1   2   2   7   -5    1
20  Newcastle United      3   0   0   3   3   8   -5    0


Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
08/08/99    Everton                  Away     D  1-1    10    39,141
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      Home     W  4-0     3    54,941
14/08/99    Leeds United             Home     W  2-0     1    55,187

       P   Won       Drawn     Lost      For        Against    Points
Home   2   2 (100%)  0 (0%)    0 (0%)    6 (3.0)    0 (0.0)    6 (3.0)
Away   1   0 (0%)    1 (100%)  0 (0%)    1 (1.0)    1 (1.0)    1 (1.0)

Total  3   2 (67%)   1 (33%)   0 (0%)    7 (2.3)    1 (0.3)    7 (2.3)

                                         Averages per game in (brackets)

League position:            1st
Form position:              3rd
Predicted position:         3rd

HIGHEST HOME ATTENDANCE: 14/08/99 - Leeds United (55,187)
LOWEST HOME ATTENDANCE:  11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (54,941)
BEST WIN:                11/08/99 - Sheffield Wednesday (4-0)

UNITED Stats v All teams:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix992000.htm
Subject: First Team Fixtures 1999/2000 [All dates/times subject to change]
Dates of possible cup ties also shown

Date        Opposition                         Score  Pos.  Attend.
15/07/99    Melbourne Australia   11.00      W  2-0    F    60,000
18/07/99    Sydney    Australia   06.00      W  1-0    F    78,000 
21/07/99    Shanghai  Shenhua     12.30      W  2-0    F    80,000
24/07/99    Hong Kong South China 08.30      W  2-0    F    40,000
 1/08/99    Arsenal Wembley Charity Shield   L  1-2    F    70,185

 3/08/99    Omagh aid of Omagh Bomb Fund     W  9-0    F     7,000
 4/08/99    Wigan Athletic friendly.         W  2-0    F    15,000 
 8/08/99    Everton                  away PL D  1-1   10    39,141
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      home PL W  4-0    3    54,941  
14/08/99    Leeds United             home PL W  2-0    1    55,187  

22/08/99    Arsenal                  away PL   16.00 Live on Sky
25/08/99    Coventry City            away PL   20.00
27/08/99    Monaco - Lazio           ESC       19.45
30/08/99    Newcastle United         home PL   13.00
11/09/99    Liverpool                away PL   11.30 Live on Sky
15/09/99    ?     EC
18/09/99    Wimbledon                home PL   15.00
22/09/99    ?     EC
25/09/99    Southampton              home PL   15.00
29/09/99    ?     EC
 3/10/99    Chelsea                  away PL   16.00 Live on Sky
*11/10/99   Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial OT [Cantona + Schmeichel]
13/10/99    ?     WC 3
16/10/99    Watford                  home PL   15.00
20/10/99    ?     EC
23/10/99    Tottenham Hotspur        away PL   15.00
27/10/99    ?     EC
30/10/99    Aston Villa              home PL   15.00
 3/11/99    ?     EC
 6/11/99    Leicester City           home PL   15.00
20/11/99    Derby County             away PL   15.00
24/11/99    ?     EC
27/11/99    Sheffield Wednesday      away PL   15.00
30/11/99    Tokyo  Palmeiras         WCC       20.00
 1/12/99    ?     WC 4
 4/12/99    Everton                  home PL   15.00
 8/12/99    ?     EC
15/12/99    ?     WC 5
18/12/99    West Ham United          away PL   15.00
26/12/99    Bradford City            home PL   15.00
28/12/99    Sunderland               away PL   20.00 Live on Sky
 3/01/2000  Middlesborough           home PL   20.00

 ***** 5-14 /01/2000 Brazil WTC  *****   [3-4 games]

12/01/2000  ?    WC sf i
15/01/2000  Leeds United             away PL   15.00
22/01/2000  Arsenal                  home PL   15.00
26/01/2000  ?    WC sf ii
 5/02/2000  Coventry City            home PL   15.00
12/02/2000  Newcastle United         away PL   15.00
26/02/2000  Wimbledon                away PL   15.00
27/02/2000  ?   Wembley WC f
 1/03/2000  ?   EC
 4/03/2000  Liverpool                home PL   15.00
 8/03/2000  ?   EC
11/03/2000  Derby County             home PL   15.00
15/03/2000  ?   EC
18/03/2000  Leicester City           away PL   15.00
22/03/2000  ?   EC
25/03/2000  Bradford City            away PL   15.00
 1/04/2000  West Ham United          home PL   15.00
 5/04/2000  ?   EC qf i
 8/04/2000  Middlesborough           away PL   15.00
15/04/2000  Sunderland               home PL   15.00
19/04/2000  ?   EC qf ii
22/04/2000  Southampton              away PL   15.00
24/04/2000  Chelsea                  home PL   15.00
29/04/2000  West Ham United          away PL   15.00
 3/05/2000  ?   EC sf i
 6/05/2000  Tottenham Hotspur        home PL   15.00
10/05/2000  ?   EC sf ii
14/05/2000  Aston Villa              away PL   15.00
24/05/2000  ?    EC f



EC links + Personal diaries here:

 Its the presentation of the European Cup at Nou Camp
  Video including sound   57secs  1.5 meg 


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Subject: Huge Johnsen blow for Fergie + Bosnich latest«« Man Utd's Ronny Johnsen will almost certainly have to undergo surgery on his knees - which puts a real question mark against his very career. United are reeling from the news that the programme of rehabilitation that the Norway team doctor has put Johnsen under has not worked, and an operation seems to be the only available alternative. Lars Engebretsen, the national team doctor, said: "He has not shown a marked improvement - the training programme has not worked." Johnsen was pinning all his hopes on the programme being a success, and the news that an operation is inevitable will come as a hammer blow - because there's a very real possibility that he may never play football again. The operation - to cure Johnsen's "jumpers' knees" condition - is fraught with danger, and is seen as literally the last resort. Johnsen himself conceded: "There has not been a lot of change. If I could have recovered in a different way, it would have been better." The 30 year old will make a definite decision on surgery very soon but, even if the operation is a complete success, he would still be out of action until at least after Christmas. Meanwhile, on the positive side, Ferguson is hoping that summer signing Mark Bosnich will give the side a massive boost by returning to action ahead of schedule. The hamstring strain that forced Bosnich out of Saturday's 2-0 victory over Leeds was initially thought to keep the Aussie out of first team action for around a month. However, it is now thought the problem is not as bad as was first feared. Ferguson said: "We're hopeful Mark's injury isn't as bad as we thought. He's going for a scan."
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Subject: The Truth about Roy Keane and Martin Edwards would be nice Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:02:09 +0100 Over the last few weeks I have listened, read and watched the various developments on the negotiation of a new contract between Manchester United and Roy Keane and felt an increasing amount of anger and frustration. This anger and frustration is directed at ALL parties that have become 'involved' in the negotiations i.e. Roy Keane, Sir Alex Ferguson, Martin Edwards, Michael Kennedy (Roy Keane's Adviser) and various elements of the Media party to exclusive and leaked stories. The end product has been that all of the above mentioned parties have their own agenda anything from selling newspapers to maximizing share price but the common factor in all this is to exert some control how the Fans perceive each party i.e. 'Injured and Hard Done By' or bringing you the 'truth about how the said party was Injured and Hard Done By'. At the risk of aping the Media please consider the following points: 1.. We have great respect and admiration for Roy Keane as a player and if he were to re-sign for Manchester United most ManU fans would be extremely happy, but I feel this respect between Roy Keane and ManU fans has to be a two way thing. Sadly Roy Keane has started to use the Media to manipulate our feelings and aspirations for 'our' club. Consider the following: Roy Keane rejects the first Contract offer from Manchester United and immediately conducts a number of interviews with various Media organizations highlighting the fact that 'this was his final contract as a player and he would not undersell himself, furthermore he was completely happy at Manchester United and his family were settled in the Manchester area. However he would NOT sign if the deal was not correct.' As a ManU fan I have absolutely no problem with this after all ManU apply market forces in deciding on Ticket and Merchandising prices so why should not Roy Keane expect a contract from Manchester United which reflects his market value. The majority of ManU fans understand this truth and at the time of the interviews all our support and sympathy was with Roy Keane. In due course Manchester United presented Roy Keane with an improved Contract offer and we all hoped that for once Manchester United had put the interests of the team (and Fans) before the those of the shareholders i.e. bottom line profits. At this point we were still none the wiser about what Roy Keane had asked for and what Manchester United had offered but I feel £40K a week for a footballer of Roy Keane's ability would be a good reward. We were then told by Michael Kennedy that a decision on whether the improved contract was acceptable or not would be made in the next few days. This 'will he or won't he' dragged on until Saturday 14th August with the Media wiping up a frenzy in the days leading upto the Leeds game. In the days leading upto the Leeds game we had Michael Kennedy setting a day for the final decision, Roy Keane informing us he required more time to think about it, Mr. Moggi of Juventus informing us that Michael Kennedy had spoken to him on Roy Keane's behalf, Michael Kennedy contradicting Roy Keane by saying the decision will be announced on Monday 16th August, Sir Alex Ferguson remained optimistic but it was NOT a delay due to money, Martin Edwards saying Manchester United would do everything to keep Roy Keane and negotiations could drag on into 2000 and to top it all the Media report that the new contract being offered to Roy Keane matched his 'asking' price of £40K a week (a leaked story from Manchester United to put pressure on Roy Keane?). Finally Roy Keane makes an announcement on Saturday in which he deemed the Contract offer to be 'generous', the Board should not be criticised, he loved everything about Manchester United and he had a duty to his family which ment he was still undecided about his future. Sir Alex Ferguson remained optimistic of persuading Roy Keane to stay and Martin Edwards seemed to contradict Roy Keane by saying 'it was not a question of money'. The upshot of all this farce is that there is a large amount of mis-information being passed by all parties (except may be by Sir Alex Ferguson?) and we as ManU fans have to suffer because we are not really deserving of the truth. With the information and mis-information currently available one of the following points are applicable to Roy Keane's behavior: - If Manchester United PLC have offered Roy Keane LESS than £40K (or less than his market value whilst NOT a free transfer) then our sympathies and support are with Roy Keane and we understand his desire to move to a different club. - If Manchester United PLC have offered Roy Keane a contract which equates to his market value whilst NOT a free transfer then Roy Keane's behavior has to be deemed reprehensible. This is the man who in the past has said he wants to get close as possible to Liverpool's total of 18 Championships and 4 European Cups with Manchester United, this is the man who constantly reminds us how much he loves all things Manchester United, so now there is some sort of motivational problem which pre-cludes Roy Keane from playing for Manchester United. Don't BULLSHIT us Roy, if you want a FREE transfer just say it - we will respect you more. There is the probability that if Roy Keane admits now that he has no intention of signing a new contract, sections of the crowd will turn against him but at least an admission of truth shows the courage we have come to expect from Roy Keane. 2.. I believe Martin Edwards is overseeing the disintegration of the present Manchester United team for his own personal gain, something which would not have been possible had BSkyB taken control of Manchester United PLC. The present arrangement is too much in favour of shareholders who only have a short-to-medium term interest on Manchester United PLC. Chief amongst this band of self-interested shareholders is Martin Edwards the Chairman of Manchester United FC. At the present moment he holds 14% of Manchester United shares and he has stated his desire to take over the role of Sir Roland Smith, who is to retire soon. To take this new job role Martin Edwards feels he should reduce his holding in Manchester United so he is actively seeking to sell his shares. This scenario is of no concern in a 'standard' PLC where what is good for a chairman holding shares in that PLC is good for shareholders of the PLC, but in the case of Manchester United PLC (and other football clubs quoted on the stock market) we have a Chairman in place who has no long term interest in maintaining a high share price (and presumably a successful Manchester United). To Martin Edwards only the next 18 months is of importance hence a high profit margin must be maintained, resulting in a high dividend payment to the shareholders and a high share price to be negotiated as he sells his shares. Obviously the biggest short term threat to the profitability of the club are players wages and transfer fees, but in the short term the high profile players such a Giggs, Beckham, Stam, Yorke are on contracts which are within the pay structure and when negotiations start for new contracts (in 1 year) Martin Edwards will have sold his shares. At that time Martin Edwards will be able to absolve himself of any responsibility if players refuse new contracts and/or the Manchester United team starts to DISINTEGRATE. If BSkyB had managed to buy a controlling share in Manchester United PLC then I believe the interests of BSkyB would have dovetailed better with the aspirations of the fans (which is to see a successful team) because whilst BSkyB may not know a great deal about running a football club, they understand football as a televised product. BSkyB understand that for their £650M+ investment a £20M- £30M profit per annum is not of great consequence, more importantly a successful football team over a long time with some world class players (with the necessary world class salaries) is likely to generate a better Pay-Per-View income stream in mature markets whilst the Manchester United Brand can be used as a point of entry into developing markets. It would not have been in the financial interests of BSkyB to allow the Manchester United team to disintegrate. Bal Sanghera (Manchester United Season Ticket Holder)
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Subject: Ferguson closes in on Bogarde By Graham Hunter Tuesday, August 17, 1999 Manchester United are preparing to move for Barcelona's £6m-rated Holland defender Winston Bogarde. Sir Alex Ferguson is short of cover in defence after injuries to Ronny Johnsen, Gary Neville and Wes Brown and believes 28-year-old Bogarde fits the bill. Bogarde, who plays alongside United's Jaap Stam at international level, is willing to quit the Nou Camp but United will need to be convinced that he has recovered fully from the fractured leg which kept him out of the second half of last season. Bogarde has remained determined to play in the Premiership since a move to Liverpool broke down on the day it was due to be completed two seasons ago. United have tried to watch him twice in the last week but have been thwarted both times by Barcelona coach Louis van Gaal's decision to leave him on the bench. The player has also been frustrated at not playing and one of his former Ajax colleagues told Soccernet last night: 'Barcelona knew Manchester United had somebody there and Winston was eager to play. He was not happy to be on the bench.' Van Gaal already has Frank de Boer and Sergi as left-sided defenders and is said to be shopping around for another, which indicates that Bogarde's first-team opportunities may decrease still further.
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Subject: Keano by Terry It's me again, but with a temporary email address and patchy access to a computer. I'm no longer eating sand in Saudi and am between drinks at the moment so I can't stay long. On the Keano debate, I must agree with those who think he's definitely going at the end of the season. He's simply waiting to see what teams like Juve or Inter will offer him come January 1st when he's entitled to enter into pre-contract agreements. If the ludicrously mop-headed McManaman can swindle 59,000 pounds a week out of Real Madrid, then Keano should be able to better that. The only risks he's running are getting another serious injury and prospective buyers waking up to the fact that he's 29 next year and likes a Guinness or three. The trouble for us is that we can't win. We can leave things as they are but then watch the value of an asset dwindle to nothing (in the process losing money that would help fund a committed replacement, if such a thing exists). Or we could sell him now and seriously affect the team's chances of winning more silverware. Even if we start fishing around tentatively for a replacement, it sends a signal to Keano that he's not wanted and will probably hasten his departure. Ah well, players come and go. If he does leave, we will certainly have had our money's worth out of him, and there'll be someone else ready and willing to take over. Paul Ince for example has a bright future. Ah, another glass has arrived. Must go now. ______________ Terry not in Saudi
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