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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Sat Jul 17 03:37:29 GMT 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Haydock Park Raceday
2. www.red11.org REDitorial - DMC
3. United in talks with Inter ace
4. FANS KEANE FOR SKIPPER TO STAY
5. Keane digs in for long fight

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Bill's Daily Comment:
Thanks to MasterFan Paul Hinson for doing the Daily News for the
week while Barry is off on vacation. I'll pick it up now until
Barry returns on Monday.
Two great personal articles today.  A REDitorial by DMC, and
a personal report from Pat Jennings who met the UNITED
players last week at Haydock.  Be sure to check out Pat's
up close and personal pics of the UNITED players!


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 NEXT MATCHES
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01-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Charity Shield, AWAY)
08-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Everton  (FA Premier League, AWAY)
11-AUG-1999 [20:00] Manchester Utd. vs Sheffield W  (FA Premier League, HOME)
14-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leeds U  (FA Premier League, HOME)
22-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Premier League, AWAY)

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UNITED Stats v All teams:
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*** FINAL PREMIER LEAGUE TABLE AS AT 16/05/99 ***

Pos Team                  P  W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A   GD  Pts
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1  Manchester United    38 14  4  1  45  18   8  9  2  35  19   43   79
 2  Arsenal              38 14  5  0  34   5   8  7  4  25  12   42   78
 3  Chelsea              38 12  6  1  29  13   8  9  2  28  17   27   75
 4  Leeds United         38 12  5  2  32   9   6  8  5  30  25   28   67



Here are all the matches for the coming season 1999/2000:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899.htm
 
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000 [All dates/times subject to change]
(Dates of possible cup ties also shown)

Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
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15/07/99    Melbourne Australia   11.00  pre-season     -
18/07/99    Sydney    Australia   06.00  pre-season     -
21/07/99    Shanghai  Shenhua     12.30  pre-season     -
24/07/99    Hong Kong South China 08.30  pre-season     -

 1/08/99    Arsenal      Wembley Charity Shield         -
 3/08/99    Omagh Town     friendly in aid of Omagh Bomb Fund
 4/08/99    Wigan Athletic friendly at JJB Stadium.

 8/08/99    Everton                  away      16.00
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      home PL   20.00
14/08/99    Leeds United             home PL   15.00
22/08/99    Arsenal                  away PL   16.00
25/08/99    Coventry City            away PL   20.00
27/08/99    Monaco - Lazio           ESC       19.45
30/08/99    Newcastle United         home PL   13.00
11/09/99    Liverpool                away PL   11.30
15/09/99    ?     EC
18/09/99    Wimbledon                home PL   15.00
22/09/99    ?     EC
25/09/99    Southampton              home PL   15.00
29/09/99    ?     EC
 3/10/99    Chelsea                  away PL   16.00
*11/10/99   Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial OT [Schmeichel]
13/10/99    ?     WC 3
16/10/99    Watford                  home PL   15.00
20/10/99    ?     EC
23/10/99    Tottenham Hotspur        away PL   15.00
27/10/99    ?     EC
30/10/99    Aston Villa              home PL   15.00
 3/11/99    ?     EC
 6/11/99    Leicester City           home PL   15.00
20/11/99    Derby County             away PL   15.00
24/11/99    ?     EC
27/11/99    Sheffield Wednesday      away PL   15.00
30/11/99    Tokyo  Palmeiras         WCC       20.00
 1/12/99    ?     WC 4
 4/12/99    Everton                  home PL   15.00
 8/12/99    ?     EC
11/12/99    FAC 3 Will not enter ...
15/12/99    ?     WC 5
18/12/99    West Ham United          away PL   15.00
26/12/99    Bradford City            home PL   15.00
28/12/99    Sunderland               away PL   20.00
 3/01/2000  Middlesborough           home PL   20.00

 ***** 5-14 /01/2000 Brazil WTC  *****   [3-4 games]

*  8/01/2000  FAC 4 Will not enter ...
12/01/2000  ?    WC sf i
15/01/2000  Leeds United             away PL   15.00
22/01/2000  Arsenal                  home PL   15.00
26/01/2000  ?    WC sf ii
* 29/01/2000  FAC 5 Will not enter ...
 5/02/2000  Coventry City            home PL   15.00
12/02/2000  Newcastle United         away PL   15.00
* 19/02/2000  FAC 6 Will not enter ...
26/02/2000  Wimbledon                away PL   15.00
27/02/2000  ?   Wembley WC f
 1/03/2000  ?   EC
 4/03/2000  Liverpool                home PL   15.00
 8/03/2000  ?   EC
11/03/2000  Derby County             home PL   15.00
15/03/2000  ?   EC
18/03/2000  Leicester City           away PL   15.00
22/03/2000  ?   EC
25/03/2000  Bradford City            away PL   15.00
 1/04/2000  West Ham United          home PL   15.00
 5/04/2000  ?   EC qf i
 8/04/2000  Middlesborough           away PL   15.00
*  9/04/2000  FAC sf Will not enter ...
15/04/2000  Sunderland               home PL   15.00
19/04/2000  ?   EC qf ii
22/04/2000  Southampton              away PL   15.00
24/04/2000  Chelsea                  home PL   15.00
29/04/2000  West Ham United          away PL   15.00
 3/05/2000  ?   EC sf i
 6/05/2000  Tottenham Hotspur        home PL   15.00
10/05/2000  ?   EC sf ii
14/05/2000  Aston Villa              away PL   15.00
* 20/05/2000 Wembley FAC f Will not enter ...
24/05/2000  ?    EC f

http://www.red11.org/mufc/match.htm



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*   Pre season tour details JULY 1999   *
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** Friendly at Salford City **
Salford City, the North Western Trains League club, are to play a friendly
against a side from their "big brother" neighbours Manchester United, at
their Moor Lane ground (in Kersal) on Saturday July 17th at 3pm.

Melbourne  Sydney  
Thu 15/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS evening in Melbourne 
    at the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground- capacity 90,000.) kick off 20.00hrs.
- Melbourne Cricket Ground 5 minutes from the city. Good transport available
 Tickets available - starts from $60.00 - behind the goal -next up is $90.00,
   $130.00 and $150.00

Sun 18/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS STADIUM AUSTRALIA, Olympic Boulevard,
    Homebush Bay, Sydney  NEW SOUTH WALES  15.00 local time 
     Tickets for Sydney game try here:
 http://www.ticketek.com.au/frame.asp?url=search/search.asp
   then type MANCHESTER in the search field.

   + Far East

Wed 21/7 Shangai first time ever!!!
 This match will be watched by 80,000 fans 
  The game has sold out with the Shanghai Star reporting the home side's
  chairman Yu Zhifei as saying: ''It is unprecedented that the tickets
  should sell out for a match five weeks in advance." 

Sat 24/7 Hong Kong  Repeat of the 1997 game
 "ALL matches will be shown "the same day" om MUTV.

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 THE FANTASTIC TRIPLE WAS WON!!
Personal stories here: http://www.red11.org/mufc/barcelona.htm

We went to Barcelona in a fine day in May
And all our supporters sang loudly & gay
And when it was over and all said and done
We beat Bayern Munich  by 2 goals to 1

The first one was Teddy's he out foxed the rest
The second was Solskjear's he's simply the best
We could have had 4 or we could have had 9
But we didn't start playing till injury time


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Subject: Haydock Park Raceday Pat Jennings & a lucky group of REDS were at Haydock Park Raceday last Sunday. They were treated to a dinner with the UNITED players and a close up look at the TREBLE... Read Pat's report + 25 AMAZING PICS!!! http://www.red11.org/mufc/listpics/special/haydock99/haydock.htm
Subject: www.red11.org REDitorial - DMC I thought we'd have a quiet close season basking in the glories of the Treble, but............... Having Your Cake & Eating It Too - The Devil May Care - Having your cake and eating it too is what business people attempt to do all the time. But after they've gorged themselves who has to do the washing up? I was brought up on football as a game but now it's a business, or at least that's what we are told. It's what is rammed down our throats every day. But if it is a business then those who make the business successful should surely be paid the going rate for the job they perform within the business. That's how it works, doesn't it? But Martin Edwards and the plc seem to want their cake and eat it too. So who goes on corporate jollies all over the bloody world on club expenses in order to promote the "brand" (as he nausiatingly loves to refer to it) of Manchester United then? Martin Edwards of course. But how can he be seen to do what's best for the club when he can't find a way to hold on to one of the business' greatest assets. Surely that can't be looking after the business interests of the club can it? What makes more business sense, paying our most influential player a top wage or allowing him to leave at the end of the season for nothing and then having to pay 20 million to replace him and then put that player on the wages Roy Keane is trying to negotiate for himself anyway? Come on Martin, if you want to run the business and promote the "brand" you have to play by the rules. - you bastard well made them after all. And whether us purists like it or not, I don't think there can be any doubt that Manchester United is now a business, a global money making machine that sells wherever it's marketed. But why does it sell - the team on the pitch of course. And why do we buy into the "brand" the team on the pitch of course. And why is the team on the pitch that good they make so much money for this Manchester United "brand" - one, because the team is made up of some of the best players around including the pivotal force, Roy Keane and second, because they are managed by the greatest living manager. And has anyone consulted him about this impasse I wonder. I think we also need to ask the question why is this all being aired in public? Why is every newspaper making mileage out of this? Who leaked the story in the first place? I trust it wasn't Martin Edwards. He was busy throwing his toys out of his pram a while ago - now I know he's got lots and lots of toys, but is he still throwing them out? Manchester United promoting the "brand" my arse - they're holding the club captain up as an example - standing him in front of the class and threatening him with expulsion. It's simple then - without the team on the pitch "the brand" will not sell, the business becomes less successful and Martin and his like make less money. You can't gorge yourself on the corporate cake Marty and then expect not to have to pay for it. It's simple business practice - keep the workers happy and they will keep you in riches. And keeping them happy means you have to pay them what they see as a "fair" wage. Now as far as I'm concerned a 'fair' wage is not the reported 40,000 a week we seem to be talking about - I mean how much money does someone need? This is football after all, but it's also entertainment which attracts countless people all over the world and that is how it is viewed these days. The precedent has been set. In the music business - the top performers are paid an enormous amount of money because they bring entertainment to millions. So it is with football since the advent of worldwide TV coverage - they are the entertainers, the pop stars of sport. Image is god. But why is it that way? Let's face it the powers that be have made the 'game' into what it is today and so they have to live with their decisions and abide by the rules they have created - you can't have your cake and eat it. Roy Keane didn't decide the destiny of football and neither should he be held up as an example of what to do when someone is seen to rock the corporate boat. He only wants a slice of their cake and as one of the world's top midfielders who's to say he shouldn't have it? He is a major force behind the success of the business and therefore Martin's beloved "brand". So with Edwards and his like setting up Manchester United Football Club and turning it into a marketable item we are forced (perhaps kicking and screaming) into a new age. We have to accept their rules - or do we? What is the future of the game? Will the players bite the hand that feeds them? Will the sponsors and new age followers still attend when the game is totally bereft of atmosphere because those of us who want to vocally support or team are either so pissed off we don't go or can't afford to go? In my opinion the ultimate answer to this mess - and it is a mess, should come from the governing bodies: the FA, UEFA and FIFA. But getting them together around a table to discuss anything sensible about the future of the game would be impossible. They are too busy bitching about each other to even consider the future. So the ultimate answer must rest with us - the fans. What exactly do WE want from what was once called "the people's game"? We are the customers of the business after all. So why then are we treated so badly? That's easy - we are the captive audience, the ultimate dream of the money men. Hundreds of thousands of indoctrinated, drug crazed idiots who follow the "brand" whatever - who loyally attend games, buy the merchandise and spread the gospel everywhere we go. BUT. What if we ultimately take control of our own destinies? Rise up and reclaim the game for ourselves? Wouldn't that be the real answer? And isn't it beginning to happen - we've defeated them once over the BSkyB bid haven't we, and what of the FA Cup? IMUSA met with the FA yesterday and Banks is meeting next week - would that have happened a year ago? I don't think so. This month a conference organised by United supporter Jonathan Michie, was held to discuss the future of the game and some high ranking people attended. A Coalition of Football Supporters has also been formed, the FSA has more power and the Football Taskforce has David Mellor - it's not all going so well then, but it's a step or two in the right direction. But what of Roy Keane then? There's no doubt in my mind a compromise should be reached and if it isn't we may as well kiss him goodbye and say hello to an even more temporary playing staff, because make no mistake Roy Keane is a Manchester United player, he's just negotiating with the business. he's playing by the rules - their rules, not his. If Roy goes, the greedy self interested money men will have won. They will once again be top dogs and we will be back to the same old dictatorial regime. We will never see Manchester United anymore, it really will be the "brand" forever and we will simply be pawns in the rough, tough business of football - there solely for the benefit of the butcher's boy, the plc and the shareholders. So - option 1: Negotiate a compromise with the captain. Force a review of the game. Force negotiation with the customers and let us decide the fate and future of football. Or - option 2: RIP Manchester United may you rest in peace. Thanks for everything - the Babes, Sir Matt, Denis, Bobby and George, Doc's Army, Norman, Sparky and Robbo, the doubles and the treble. I've enjoyed supporting you for the last 40 years. Thanks for the miracle of Barcelona, I'll remember it for the rest of my life, but I'm afraid nothing will ever be the same again. Thanks Martin Edwards and the plc, you have finally managed to destroy the legend and turn it into your own personal cash cow. Option 1 or option 2 - the choice is yours. I know which one I'd chose - stand up and fight for the game you love. The Devil May Care - DMC.
Subject: United in talks with Inter ace World Cup winner Youri Djorkaeff is in talks with Manchester United and is keen to make the move to Old Trafford in the next 24 hours. The Inter Milan ace would be available at a cut-price 2m, and his agent was locked in talks with the treble winners yesterday. His brother Denis, who acts as the player's agent, said: "Discussions with United have already progressed very far. We hope to get everything sorted out within the next 24 hours." Real Madrid, Real Betis, Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle have all shown an interest in the 31-year-old, but the player clearly has his sights set on a move to United. Djorkaeff said: "If I had the choice between joining Chelsea or United, I would move to Manchester - simply because they are the best club on the planet."
Subject: FANS KEANE FOR SKIPPER TO STAY Manchester United fans have urged the Treble winners to stump up the cash to keep influential skipper Roy Keane at Old Trafford. Sir Alex Ferguson has already insisted the club must hold on to the fulcrum of the side but Keane has repeated his threat to leave if he is not offered the new contract he wants. The Republic of Ireland midfielder, who has one year left on his current deal, has already rejected the club's first approach and is determined to hold out for what he feels he is worth. United fans agree with Sir Alex that Keane is crucial to the Reds and they do not think Keane would carry out his threat and turn his back on the club. Andy Walsh, chairman of the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association, said: "The supporters want Roy Keane to stay at Manchester United and the key to all this is that the player himself wants to stay. "The top players are very well paid and there comes a point when they must weigh up the success they've achieved in their professional lives against the riches to be earned. "It's been shown to Roy Keane that if he stays at Manchester United with Alex Ferguson, there will be success. "Most fans would say that the club should not be held to ransom, but the club should also be a little bit more imaginative in the remuneration package being offered to him." Keane, who turns 28 next month, reportedly wants 2million a season to commit his future to Old Trafford. This would shatter the club's pay structure and it appears much talking remains before a new deal can be agreed.
Subject: Keane digs in for long fight By Ken Lawrence Saturday, July 17, 1999 Roy Keane will not be intimidated by attempts to force him into signing a new contract on Manchester United's terms. Even if United decide to offer him for sale rather than hope that negotiations resolve the deadlock with their captain, the Irishman is likely to reject a move until the end of the season. United may cash in on the player instead of letting his 20million value diminish to nothing by next summer if they cannot come to an agreement with him. But Keane knows that by allowing his current contract to expire, thus becoming a free agent under the Bosman rule, he would guarantee himself not only a 3mper-year contract from interested parties such as Inter Milan and Juventus, but also a signing-on fee of at least another 3m. The 27-year-old midfielder says he would prefer to stay at Old Trafford but the lure of playing in Serie A is becoming strong while United insist they will not shatter their pay policy to keep him. He is aware of the financial incentive of going abroad. Whereas he wants 40,000 per week from United, he could expect 60,000 a week in Italy.

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