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www.red11.org DAILY NEWS
Date: Wed Jul 14 1999
Mail: barry@www.red11.org

This Issue:
1. Ferguson faces fight to keep Keane
3. AFL: Glory, Glory Man United


Mark Bosnich's Personal Details 


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01-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Charity Shield, AWAY)
08-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Everton  (FA Premier League, AWAY)
11-AUG-1999 [20:00] Manchester Utd. vs Sheffield W  (FA Premier League, HOME)
14-AUG-1999 [15:00] Manchester Utd. vs Leeds U  (FA Premier League, HOME)
22-AUG-1999 [16:00] Manchester Utd. vs Arsenal  (FA Premier League, AWAY)


UNITED Stats v All teams:



Pos Team                  P  W  D  L   F   A   W  D  L   F   A   GD  Pts
 1  Manchester United    38 14  4  1  45  18   8  9  2  35  19   43   79
 2  Arsenal              38 14  5  0  34   5   8  7  4  25  12   42   78
 3  Chelsea              38 12  6  1  29  13   8  9  2  28  17   27   75
 4  Leeds United         38 12  5  2  32   9   6  8  5  30  25   28   67

Here are all the matches for the coming season 1999/2000:
ALL FIXTURES at: http://www.red11.org/mufc/fix9899.htm
First Team Fixtures 1999/2000 [All dates/times subject to change]
(Dates of possible cup ties also shown)

Date        Opposition                        Score   Pos.   Attend.
15/07/99    Melbourne Australia   11.00  pre-season     -
18/07/99    Sydney    Australia   06.00  pre-season     -
21/07/99    Shanghai  Shenhua     12.30  pre-season     -
24/07/99    Hong Kong South China 08.30  pre-season     -

 1/08/99    Arsenal      Wembley Charity Shield         -
 3/08/99    Omagh Town     friendly in aid of Omagh Bomb Fund
 4/08/99    Wigan Athletic friendly at JJB Stadium.

 8/08/99    Everton                  away      16.00
11/08/99    Sheffield Wednesday      home PL   20.00
14/08/99    Leeds United             home PL   15.00
22/08/99    Arsenal                  away PL   16.00
25/08/99    Coventry City            away PL   20.00
27/08/99    Monaco - Lazio           ESC       19.45
30/08/99    Newcastle United         home PL   13.00
11/09/99    Liverpool                away PL   11.30
15/09/99    ?     EC
18/09/99    Wimbledon                home PL   15.00
22/09/99    ?     EC
25/09/99    Southampton              home PL   15.00
29/09/99    ?     EC
 3/10/99    Chelsea                  away PL   16.00
*11/10/99   Sir Alex Ferguson's testimonial OT [Schmeichel]
13/10/99    ?     WC 3
16/10/99    Watford                  home PL   15.00
20/10/99    ?     EC
23/10/99    Tottenham Hotspur        away PL   15.00
27/10/99    ?     EC
30/10/99    Aston Villa              home PL   15.00
 3/11/99    ?     EC
 6/11/99    Leicester City           home PL   15.00
20/11/99    Derby County             away PL   15.00
24/11/99    ?     EC
27/11/99    Sheffield Wednesday      away PL   15.00
30/11/99    Tokyo  Palmeiras         WCC       20.00
 1/12/99    ?     WC 4
 4/12/99    Everton                  home PL   15.00
 8/12/99    ?     EC
11/12/99    FAC 3 Will not enter ...
15/12/99    ?     WC 5
18/12/99    West Ham United          away PL   15.00
26/12/99    Bradford City            home PL   15.00
28/12/99    Sunderland               away PL   20.00
 3/01/2000  Middlesborough           home PL   20.00

 ***** 5-14 /01/2000 Brazil WTC  *****   [3-4 games]

*  8/01/2000  FAC 4 Will not enter ...
12/01/2000  ?    WC sf i
15/01/2000  Leeds United             away PL   15.00
22/01/2000  Arsenal                  home PL   15.00
26/01/2000  ?    WC sf ii
* 29/01/2000  FAC 5 Will not enter ...
 5/02/2000  Coventry City            home PL   15.00
12/02/2000  Newcastle United         away PL   15.00
* 19/02/2000  FAC 6 Will not enter ...
26/02/2000  Wimbledon                away PL   15.00
27/02/2000  ?   Wembley WC f
 1/03/2000  ?   EC
 4/03/2000  Liverpool                home PL   15.00
 8/03/2000  ?   EC
11/03/2000  Derby County             home PL   15.00
15/03/2000  ?   EC
18/03/2000  Leicester City           away PL   15.00
22/03/2000  ?   EC
25/03/2000  Bradford City            away PL   15.00
 1/04/2000  West Ham United          home PL   15.00
 5/04/2000  ?   EC qf i
 8/04/2000  Middlesborough           away PL   15.00
*  9/04/2000  FAC sf Will not enter ...
15/04/2000  Sunderland               home PL   15.00
19/04/2000  ?   EC qf ii
22/04/2000  Southampton              away PL   15.00
24/04/2000  Chelsea                  home PL   15.00
29/04/2000  West Ham United          away PL   15.00
 3/05/2000  ?   EC sf i
 6/05/2000  Tottenham Hotspur        home PL   15.00
10/05/2000  ?   EC sf ii
14/05/2000  Aston Villa              away PL   15.00
* 20/05/2000 Wembley FAC f Will not enter ...
24/05/2000  ?    EC f


*   Pre season tour details JULY 1999   *

** Friendly at Salford City **
Salford City, the North Western Trains League club, are to play a friendly
against a side from their "big brother" neighbours Manchester United, at
their Moor Lane ground (in Kersal) on Saturday July 17th at 3pm.

Melbourne  Sydney  
Thu 15/7 MAN. UNITED V SOCCEROOS evening in Melbourne 
    at the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground- capacity 90,000.) kick off 20.00hrs.
- Melbourne Cricket Ground 5 minutes from the city. Good transport available
 Tickets available - starts from $60.00 - behind the goal -next up is $90.00,
   $130.00 and $150.00

    Homebush Bay, Sydney  NEW SOUTH WALES  15.00 local time 
     Tickets for Sydney game try here:
   then type MANCHESTER in the search field.

   + Far East

Wed 21/7 Shangai first time ever!!!
 This match will be watched by 80,000 fans 
  The game has sold out with the Shanghai Star reporting the home side's
  chairman Yu Zhifei as saying: ''It is unprecedented that the tickets
  should sell out for a match five weeks in advance." 

Sat 24/7 Hong Kong  Repeat of the 1997 game
 "ALL matches will be shown "the same day" om MUTV.


Personal stories here: http://www.red11.org/mufc/barcelona.htm

We went to Barcelona in a fine day in May
And all our supporters sang loudly & gay
And when it was over and all said and done
We beat Bayern Munich  by 2 goals to 1

The first one was Teddy's he out foxed the rest
The second was Solskjear's he's simply the best
We could have had 4 or we could have had 9
But we didn't start playing till injury time


Ferguson faces fight to keep Keane

Sir Alex Ferguson is fighting a losing battle to secure the
future of Roy Keane as the cream of Europe's clubs prepare to
form a queue for the Old Trafford rebel.

The Manchester United captain's adviser, lawyer Michael Kennedy,
last night warned that negotiations over Keane's demands for a
?2million-a-year deal could drag on into the New Year, a
nightmare scenario for Ferguson, who is desperate to hold on to
the man he regards as the most influential midfielder in Europe.

Unless United agree to Keane's demands, the Irishman will be
free to sign a FIFA pre-contract with any European club on
January 1, given that he will have reached the final six months
of his current agreement.

United would then not only lose Keane's services but would
require at least ?15m to find a suitable replacement. Ferguson,
despite his interest in Edgar Davids, believes it would be
impossible to recruit such a player, which is why he has been
fighting to persuade his directors that it is imperative they
reach a deal with Keane.

The United board, however, is equally insistent that by acceding
to Keane's price for committing himself to a further five years
at Old Trafford it would blow away the club's carefully
constructed pay scale and be faced with a barrage of demands for
pay increases from players such as David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and
Dwight Yorke.

United are now involved in what could become a highly expensive
game of brinkmanship and Kennedy warned: 'Negotiations have
started but they have not gone very far. It is my belief that
they could rumble on for many months yet and at the moment there
is no sign that an agreement will be reached.'

That appraisal will further alert top European clubs who would
be willing to pay Keane a king's ransom. Juventus, Inter and AC
Milan and Lazio of Italy as well as Spain's big three Real
Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid would fall over themselves
to capture Keane, who wants to double his current wages of just
over 20,000 a week. Indeed, in Europe, Keane could expect to
pick up as much as 60,000 a week.

Keane, who stayed at home to have treatment on an ankle injury
yesterday when United set off for the Australian leg of a tour
which also takes in China and Hong Kong, has repeatedly stressed
that he does not want to leave the club he has supported since
childhood. But he is equally adamant that United must meet his
demands or at least move a lot closer to him than is currently
the case.

Suggestions that United may overcome any financial shortfall by
offering him shares in the club were news to his adviser last

But with time now working against United, a solution to the
deadlock must soon be found or Ferguson, despite his own
increasingly desperate efforts, may be forced to confront what
he believes is the unthinkable and lose the man he believes will
keep United as Europe's dominant side well into the new


Quite an interesting Guardian article on the work that football
agents do:

Football managers accuse them of being out of control and
greedy. But this agent says it is the clubs who will 'sell their
soul to the devil'

"Dogs, worms, vermin". It is four seasons since Joe Kinnear
uttered those words about football agents, but had Arsne Wenger,
Graham Taylor or Egil Olsen been offered the opportunity to use
them again in the past seven days, one suspects they would have
accepted gladly. Instead Wenger chose "anarchy", Taylor
"obscene" and Olsen "greed" on the subject of agents. There is
no doubt the message is that players, their wages, and the agents
negotiating them, are out of control.

Sitting in their office in, Leeds, however, two of the targets,
Hayden Evans and Drew Tiffney from HN Sports and Entertainment
Limited, drive accusations of parasitical behaviour to the
boundary with a bat marked Hypocrisy.

Managers will say the game's present financial insanity would be
curbed greatly had these vultures not descended seven years ago
and started tearing off chunks of flesh for their clients and,
of course, for themselves.

The timing is significant. Although there were agents operating
in football before 1992, that was the year of the Premier
League's formation with its vast satellite television revenue and
the moment the cake got bigger and the takers more numerous.

The managers' seven-year bitch is that today we have arrived at
the stage where a footballer's wage of 10,000 per week has lost
its power to shock. Astronomical personal demands seem the norm,
and surely the only place it is all leading is an abyss. In
short, something needs to be done.

"Well, we would not be the first in line to check the system,"
Evans responds. It is hardly surprising and at least it is
honest. Evans, 42, formerly of the taxation departments of
NatWest bank and KPMG, is a businessman whose company had a
turnover of 600,000 last year.

But the football industry is different, though today primarily
because of emotional investment rather than financial. Fans may
think paying 17.50 for an uncovered seat in a sterile stadium is
a lot to fork out every fortnight, but when they hear of a merely
promising player at one of the poorest Premiership clubs being
offered a one-off 250,000 bonus if he is ever capped, the fans'
turnstile contribution is put into perspective. This deal was
offered last week.

Neither was this a wholly agent-inspire initiative; the club
made the offer  presumably because it can. Thus, when Evans was
asked, have we finally reached the ceiling in British football,
his answer was a pretty firm "No".

He explained: "The ceiling is determined at this time by the
power in soccer, and that power is Sky TV's money. Exposure
brings the clubs all their other sponsorships, everything stems
from TV exposure. Then there is the vast amount of money TV is
pumping in for coverage rights. So the feeling is dictated by TV
money as opposed to turnstile money, and if we have reached the
ceiling, then so have players' contracts. If not, then ... "

And does he think the ceiling has been reached? "No, I see TV
talking bigger and bigger deals."

Evans speaks with the authority of an insider. His turnover and
professionalism, he says, mark his agency out as one of the top
10 in Britain and he thinks there are only around 10 who can be
called professional. There are about 60 Fifa registered agents
in Britain but the total is unknown because of the amount of
"fronting" that goes on. This is not illegal and is a device by
which those who cannot find the 100,000 bond required by Fifa
can still operate, as if under licence. Others Fifa recognise
are lawyers and direct family members, like Claude Anelka.

Evans is fairly unimpressed by most of these characters and
their frequently fantastic demands, but then he is equally
scathing of Fifa's lacklustre policing efforts.

Most of his frustration, though, is directed towards "carping"
managers. "My argument is with those clubs and managers who
criticise us yet who, that day, will probably be sitting down
with an agent they hate and a player they think is greedy. But
they've decided they must have him, and they are prepared to
sell their soul to the devil to get him. It's hypocrisy."

Sitting on Evans's desk were letters from agents from all over
the world keen to do business and get a slice of the  European
action; there was a list of the 50 or so players he currently
represents, those he could have, generally in Europe, and one
from clubs listing their summer needs.

Rapid Vienna, for example, made contact to say they want a
left-back. Other clubs specified "holding midfielders (British)"
or "right-back (English)". Find the appropriate player and the
club pays the agent his set fee. Evans pointed out the "myth"
that agents receive a percentage of transfer fees: "I don't know
any who do." If the club do not pay, then the player does;
another transfer has been facilitated.

On increasingly rare occasions transfers are conducted club to
club, the way it used to be. Evans's opinion is that clubs
"still have that prerogative. We'd be happy for clubs to sit
down with one of our players on his own for 10 minutes and say
to him: 'Either you come to this club without the agent or you
don't come'. And, if a player feels his move is jeopardised, he
should dump his agent.

"But I feel confident 95 per cent of the players represented by
the top 10 agents would say to the club: 'No, I've been with my
agent since day one. Where will you be in three years when you
get a big offer for me, decide I'm not wanted, and agree to sell
me?' The club won't be with him on that next deal, but we will

Basically Evans is saying that the object of players' loyalty
has switched from club to agent. Basically Wenger, Taylor and
Olsen are saying the same.



Tuesday, July 13, 1999 08:57

Manchester United took off on their tour of Australia and the
Far East on Monday, with several star names missing from their

Not making the trip for fitness and personal reasons are Ronny
Johnsen, Roy Keane, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and David Beckham.

Johnsen is resting his Jumpers Knee, caused by wearing pullovers
too long and tripping over them. Neville is feeding the family
hamster as it is brother Phil's turn to go out. Keane is
suffering a recurrence of the hangover picked up after the
European Cup triumph, which was aggravated in Ireland at
Beckhams wedding. Scholes is anxiously pacing the lounge waiting
for his wife to deliver their long-awaited first Mercedes in one
piece. Beckham is back in training after treatment for a
groin-muscle pull he felt on honeymoon.

Jaap Stam has belatedly joined the party, after his
Achilles Tendon has eased, and also because his wife
wants to tidy up their house.

Along with the rest of the first team squad, several young
stars and fringe players travelled with the team.

Wes Brown, Mark Wilson, John Curtis, Michael Clegg,
Jonathan Greening and Jordi Cruyff will all be taking in the
sights and sounds of Melbourne, Sydney, Shanghai and
Hong Kong. Dwight Yorke is to be their Nightlife Guide, Mark
Bosnich is working the Camcorder and Teddy Sheringham
has brought his 'Dentists Chair.'

And you can be with them every step of the way here on
the Website. We'll have all the news and match reports
from Down Under and the Far East.

United touring party: Bosnich, van der Gouw; Irwin, P
Neville, May, Stam, Brown, Curtis, Berg, Clegg; Butt,
Giggs, Cruyff, Blomqvist, Wilson, Greening; Yorke, Cole,
Solskjaer, Sheringham.


The world has United, Melbourne has Collingwood!

AFL: Glory, Glory Man United
Source: AAP | Published: Tuesday July 13 4:49:23 PM

AFL-besotted Melbourne is set to get a fleeting glimpse of the
Manchester United juggernaut on its hit and run raid to

The Australian code might be the biggest game in town but
Manchester United is the biggest club side in the biggest game
on the globe.

And the AFL is so concerned about soccer cultivating the hearts
and minds of young Victorians that it has made it clear it will
do little to help with this promotion.

The last time soccer was played at the MCG, the mecca of the
AFL, in November 1997, it drew an 80,000-plus crowd for the
Australia-Iran World Cup qualifier, and organisers are expecting
a similar crowd here on Thursday when United plays the Socceroos.

The AFL refused to reschedule its fixtures to allow the European
champions to play on a Friday night, when it would have drawn a
sellout crowd.

The tour has been soured by threats of legal action because of
the absence of United star David Beckham and Australia has been
forced to play its Olympic hopefuls as its European stars can't
gain releases from their clubs.

However, the magic of Manchester United, the treble winner with
a reputation for producing something, or somebody special, is
enough to bring the fans out, even on a cold Melbourne, Thursday

Like Collingwood, Manchester United is an institution. Both draw
the biggest crowds in their countries, both have decorated
histories and each inspires loyalty and hatred.

Collingwood's support, however, ends at the international
departure gate - United's following has no boundaries.

Kids and adults from Iceland to Thailand wear the United shirt,
displaying their allegiance, and it's a massive money spinner.

The Magpies were formed in 1889, United - originally Newtown
Heath - was kicking a heavy leather ball around the paddocks on
Lancashire in 1878.

Both have working class backgrounds but both now know that the
big money is in television rights and the corporate dollar.

United has its own television network which will cover the MCG
game and the match at Stadium Australia.

Collingwood has won 14 premierships, United has 12 league
championships and has a trophy cabinet that has to be extended

Two European cups, one Cup Winners' Cup, 10 FA Cups, one league
cup and a roomful of minor trophies ensure polish manufacturers
stay in business.

The AFL has produced magical talents from plenty of clubs - Gary
Ablett, Polly Farmer, Bob Skilton, Ted Whitten, Ron Barassi and
North Melbourne's king Wayne Carey.

United produced or bought players that were in a class of their
own - Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, George Best, Eric Cantona,
David Beckham and Old Trafford's own king Denis Law.

Charlton, a survivor of the 1958 Munich air disaster, scored
most league goals for the Red Devils with 199. Gordon Coventry
kicked 1,299 for the Pies in the VFL.

Collingwood had the brilliant Peter Daicos, United had the
dynamic Belfast wizard Best whose taste for the bottle outpaced
his love of the game.

Current United star Ryan Giggs pipped Best as the best United
player ever in a recent survey but old-timers believe he isn't
fit to lace the Irishman's drinks.

Pies followers say they're the most vocal in the league,
especially when they played at Victoria Park.

United draws sell-out crowds to Old Trafford every home game and
the decibel reading at the field of dreams is arguably worth a
goal a game.

The AFL might have its 'Up there Cazaly' anthem, but there's too
many songs about "Glory, glory Man United" to list.

Even Rod Stewart showed where his loyalties were when he huskily
told the world: "You're Celtic, United, baby I've decided you're
the best team I've ever seen".

No mention of Collingwood there.

The Collingwood faithful will say there's no comparison between
the hard men of their code and the Spice Boys from England.

They're right - Rupert Murdoch offered $1.87 billion for the
club, the Sultan of Brunei reportedly wants a piece of the
action and neither of them have been to training at Vic Park.



Monday, July 12, 1999 15:44

Manchester United have become the first English team to head the
International Federation of Football History and Statistics' top
100 teams. The list has been compiled by such luminaries as
Angus Loughran (the original 'Statto'), current MUTV Masterfan
Paul Hinson and Paul Calf, List Infiltrator, Koppite and
all-round agitator.

The treble winners top the list, announced on Monday, thanks to
their amazing 1998/99 season in which they won the Premiership,
FA Cup, European Cup and Manchester Senior Cup.

United are at the summit with 380 points, two and a half points
ahead of second-placed Palmeiras, who United brawl with in the
World Club Cup in Tokyo next season.

Glasgow Rangers are sixth on the list, thanks to their own
Terrys Chocolate Orange-fuelled treble trophy haul of last term.

Chelsea are ninth, 15 places above Arsenal, the only other
English side with just one token Englishman in the top 50.

Spain have ten clubs in the top 100, with Italy and England
sharing second place in the national rankings with seven teams
each making the list.

Liverpool were in the top 100, but the Charlie-led scallies have
now fallen off the bottom of the page Best team in Europe, best
team in the world. What's next for United?


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